Editorial note: The following completely unedited post was written by Samantha Allen on Tumblr. It has since been deleted from Tumblr after it was uncovered by people on Reddit and numerous other sites. It is archived here and here and has been noted on other sources online. We wanted to make sure as many people as possible know her hateful, bigoted views, especially readers of The Daily Beast, The Daily Dot, Salon, Huffington Post, The Advocate, Mic, Kinsey Confidential, Jacobin, and Adult Magazine–all of whom she has written for. We welcome her to write a followup piece explaining herself and apologizing to men, to boys, and to the women who love them, and hope she comes to realize that feminism is, indeed, a hate movement.—Eds.
what misandry means to me
i’m a misandrist. that means i hate men. i’m not a cute misandrist. i don’t have a fridge magnet that says, “boys are stupid, throw rocks at them.” my loathing cannot be contained by a fridge magnet.
i am not an equality feminist. i don’t believe that an asymmetrical world will be cured by polite obsequence to male-dominated systems. i am not a liberal humanist. i don’t believe that i need to stand up for men when they’ve been standing on top of everyone else.
misandry is not a political program; it’s a stance. i don’t care whether hating men is a good or bad feminist strategy (and i care even less what men think about misandry). i don’t think i have a responsibility to change the world. i think i have a responsibility to survive.
imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented, where your work is undervalued, where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life. if you’re a woman, you don’t have to imagine that world because you already live in it.
if you’re a man, you never have and never will live in that world. but try to imagine what it feels like. i’ll tell you: when i think about the kind of world we live in, i feel simultaneously hopeless and infuriated and i oscillate so quickly between those two emotional extremes that i literally start to get dizzy.
being a woman in this world feels like getting buried alive. think about that. think about feeling that every day.
why do i have to answer the question “why do i hate men?” when men don’t even stop to ask why they have always hated women. i have to answer the question because men can’t tolerate for one second the sort of contempt they’ve had for women for thousands of years.
why do i hate men? because life is short. my life is getting shorter by the day and i want to fill it with women. in this sinking ship of a world, i just want to enjoy a tiny little space, a room, if you will, of my own. i want that room to be full of women and free from ego, hierarchy, sexual advances, and violence. i hate men because i can’t even have that fucking room without them knocking on the walls. you have the entire fucking house. go play in it. find something else to do.
i hate men because it’s not my job to fix masculinity; it’s my job to heal from it and to be together with my sisters as we try to make it through a hostile world. and yet i am expected to patiently educate men on how not to be an asshole. here’s my only tip: stop spending so much time around men. they’re assholes.
i hate men because men hate me and the burden to take the high road should not fall on my shoulders.
i am friends with some men, yes. usually these are men who have some experience of marginalization (whether via their race, class, gender identity, sexual identity, what have you) or who have gone through the self-interrogation and relational deprogramming necessary to build meaningful community with women. you don’t just get to read a book and you’re golden. you have to get fucking baptized in menstrual blood as far as i’m concerned.
i hate men doesn’t mean i hate you. it means i hate your position in this world. it means i’m not obligated to like you. it means i don’t have to talk to you if i don’t want to. it means i get to have my space and i don’t have to dance for you, smile at you, or soothe you. and you can put up with me being wary of you, can’t you, because the world has a fucking red carpet waiting for you wherever you go.
3 months ago
#feminism
#men
#misandry
#women
It was just satire! She’s just a fanatic! She’s just trolling! She’s not a REAL feminist!!1!
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#killallmen was just a joke you see! It is not advocating violence or anything.
It’s just “Ironic Misandry”
Feminism is the mother of all ironies.
She’s so adverse to anything looking dominant that she won’t even press the Shift key.
Capital letter privilege is a serious issue, people. They can’t identify with the lower case class that form the majority of sentences. It is the lower case letters that form the bulk of ideas. Fucking capital-ist pigs take the front of every sentence as if language belongs to them.
“Typography Rape”; not to be confused with “keyboard rape”.
See also “Font Rape”, not to be confused with “Baptism of Tears”.
WOULD YOU FUCKING PLEASE post a trigger warning before these kinds of comments!?!?!
There goes another keyboard… *sighs*
SOP: Assume standing blanket trigger warning.
I would but that would be trigger warning rape.
I got my keyboard good and drunk one night but I didn’t rape it, I swear. It did, however, die of alcohol poisoning.
Apparently spilling wine on your keyboard is not a good thing, but it was consensual.
Keyboards are disposable.
Keep your Patriarchal shift button off her oppressed finger
Gives the term “keyboard warrior” an entirely new meaning.
Bwhahahhahahaha. I took down my mike (that I had prepared for my show that is due to commence in 30 minutes) when I saw this comment from all the laughter :))))))))))))
Thank you for making me spray water on my monitor.
(at least none came out of my nose!)
OMG …. Does she have brain tumor? She does talk about how short life is. Poor little snowflake.
I do think that she is probably an outlier among those who self-identify as feminist.
Please, have you no respect for brain tumors? 🙂
She did have a brain tumour, but the tumour rejected her.
Forgive me, Overlord Elam …. I forget myself.
So that’s what that flying saucer thing on the top of “it’s” cranium is. I stand corrected.
So that’s what that flying saucer thing on the top of “it’s” cranium is. I stand corrected.
Imagine living for just one day in that twisted, sick mind. Not All Feminists are THAT mentally damaged, but they all blame Patriarchy for the ills of the world.
Sick.
Is this woman a journalist?
God I hope not!!!
Not all are that honest.
I love the part in the beginning where she says Men will never be able to live in the same world as women due to privilege, and then later, talks about marginalised men.
How can they be marginalised when they are privileged?
Is this for real?
I have never heard such a load of pretentious clap-trap in my life. This woman is an opinionated narcissist who believes that her own unfounded delusions are gospel and must be heard by all!
Does she even know what a man is?
“I hate men doesn’t mean i hate you. it means i hate your position in this
world. it means i’m not obligated to like you. it means i don’t have to
talk to you if i don’t want to. it means i get to have my space and i
don’t have to dance for you, smile at you, or soothe you. and you can
put up with me being wary of you, can’t you, because the world has a
fucking red carpet waiting for you wherever you go.”
Yet you think I have to listen to your nonsense?
And as for the red carpet, it doesn’t exist for men and never has. Check the suicide rates. You’ll find that there are less door and red carpets for us than you think!
Grow up, stop making women sound pathetic, and take some damned responsibility. No one owes you anything.
Check the numerous links. It’s real.
She is welcome to submit a followup if she wishes. I doubt she shall.
OMG how embarrassing. You want her to submit?.
Patriarchal bastid.
um…ew.
Hitler and Martin Luther were pretty straight-forward where their feelings towards Jews were concerned. Fred Phelps & his gang in Kansas always let you know how they felt about gays. I dunno, in a weird way this straight-forward hate is kind of refreshing. There’s no guesswork or dissembling to deal with. Like with Emma Watson, for instance. Fuck me? Okay. Well, fuck you too, lady. Let’s stay away from each other and go about our lives.
She is demanding that men leave her alone. I am willing to do so if she will leave me alone in return. I doubt she will though.
I agree. hope that after she said this: “why do i hate men? because life is short. my life is getting shorter by
the day and i want to fill it with women. in this sinking ship of a
world, i just want to enjoy a tiny little space, a room, if you will, of
my own. i want that room to be full of women and free from ego,
hierarchy, sexual advances, and violence. i hate men because i can’t
even have that fucking room without them knocking on the walls. you have
the entire fucking house. go play in it. find something else to do.”…
I hope tht room is full of misogynist women who think like the men she claims to hate.
I pray she never has any children. for if they are female, thy will be raised as Nazis. If the are male, she will most likely torture them, at least emotionally.
People like this get no sympathy from me. If I could, I would put her in her ideal world. And when she discovers ho terrible it is, I would enjoy her pleas for help and return without answering. At least for a log time.
The reason is simple. People like this don’t care, and will never see reason, no matter how strong. I do not feel bad in condemning fascist ideals. Anything that degrade someone’s humanity ad hominem without any evidence, solely on things beyond their genetic control is an individual to be despised, a refused access to society.
“I pray she never has any children. for if they are female, thy will be raised as Nazis. If the are male, she will most likely torture them, at least emotionally.”
The fact that some women like this do indeed have sons is a very scary thing. These are the kinds of boys who either grow to hate their own gender, or grow to hate the gender of their abusive mothers
If they get to grow up.
The irony: if she had a son and filled him with self-loathing and emotional torture that drove him to eventually become a misogynist rapist, who would they blame for his actions? The patriarchy.
Well, she’s trans so she would have to make the conscious decision to adopt a male child.
Woken “free from ego”? She seems to be displaying a loy of her own.
Your presence on Terra disturb her menstrual blood…somehow. So youre correct.
Pretty much. It is projection. They scream LEAVE ME ALONE, while they are harassing you.
Projection is intrinsic to feminism – that can’t be stated often enough. Look at how feminists describe their opponents or the systems, standards, attitudes and ideas they’re in conflict with – they are almost always describing themselves, but instinctively deflecting the responsibility onto something or someone external. The reason they insist they’re powerless is because their minds insist on viewing the self as a leaf blown on the winds of the universe, never owning an action, a status, an attitude, but dedicated to being the object, never the agent.
“Like leaves on a stream; completely unaware of the underlying current and where it’s taking them.”
The trope that men are mere animals, whose actions are dictated by their hormones is also projection.
Very well said!
“. i hate men because i can’t even have that fucking room without them
knocking on the walls. you have the entire fucking house. go play in it.
find something else to do”
talk about projection????? I read that and thought of two things:
1) feminists shouting and chanting on college campuses where men attempt to meet.
2)Shapes gym
Reminds me of a video I once saw. It would take too long to find it I think, but basically it was a man recording off his own mobile to protect himself. What was happening was some insane bitch had come into his motel room with two white knights to scream at him that he was attacking her. As in, she was screaming that he was doing it in the moment while he was recording her with his phone and demanding that they all leave. What astounds me is not just her insanity but also the insanity of the two accompanying white knights. All of them refuse to leave. The woman actually sits down on the bed at one point and strikes the man. The way they react to HER punching HIM is as if he had punched her. It’s just so absolutely insane.
Yeah, when I read that part I was thinking how men’s clubs are illegal and evil but a woman’s club is sacred and protected. This woman is truly insane.
Beyond insane.
You have both impuned the reputation of the word insane
Wanna bet her female-only utopia would still be filled with all the comforts that she relies on- you know, those things created by those awful man creatures?
Either that, or they’ll live in a crudely constructed hut made from twigs, and shit in a hole
Nah, she would have to build that twig hut. A cave.
Oh look, the editors put a picture of an explosion on here. This is obviously a terrorist threat!
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At least she’s an honest feminist.
Not really, as she attempted to hide it, without explanation or retraction, after people noticed it.
Good point!
That merely shows that she’s shy about her honesty.
This is what a feminist looks like.
There’s something refreshing when they drop all the protests and just truly be themselves. Their awful, disgusting selves.
Their awful, disgusting selves — yes, I second that:
http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/1B/3C87F9237B68DE1F2808CF83F344_h498_w598_m2.jpg
Besides which, anyone with an ounce of brains always notices something is not quite right with feminists. You can tell by looking at them……the crazy look in the eyes……the wild facial expressions…..
http://cdn.toonvectors.com/images/35/12991/toonvectors-12991-940.jpg
Not to fail mentioning, their well known feminist accessories….
http://cdn.toonvectors.com/images/35/12994/toonvectors-12994-940.jpg
“There’s something refreshing when they drop all the protests and just truly be themselves.”
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When all feminists ever seem to do with words is mince them into bits the size of quarks, that refreshing quality of her candor almost makes up for the content.
When I first read it I almost e-mailed her to thank her.
It’s the most straightforward thing a feminist has ever written that I’ve read since the Scum Manifesto.
That’s the funny thing. This woman doesn’t bother me nearly as much as a passive-aggressive, weaselly types. Okay, she hates me. Nice of her to make that clear. Now I hate her and we can go about our separate business.
Samantha is a male to female transgender.
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/samantha-allen-crowdfund-vagina-indiegogo/
Not sure if this is relevant but it is interesting
There you go ! It’s her masculine side that’s making her say all these wicked things. She isn’t a true feminist.
Bottom line : Men are bad ,women are good .
Everybody please make note that Samantha Allen is not a particularly unusual name and no, this person the sex change story is on is not the same person.
Doubtless we will be falsely accused of “harassing” one or both of these women, so please let’s be careful to stay factual.
And yet conflates men’s hatred of feminism as hatred of women. Don’t know about you guys, but I hate men feminists just as bad if not more so than the female ones.
That explains a lot. Women born and raised as women have a complex
and contradictory experience which gives depth and they don’t state all
of it. (Men, too, which is besides the point.) A transgender is enamored of the public persona of woman (or, again, man, which is besides my point). She has to latch on to media images.
S/he has latched on to woman-as-victim. Her ignorance of women as 3 dimensional is shown in her fantasy of a room full of women where s/he could be free. A room full of average women would have had boyfriends — loves, hates, guys they should never have passed on, guys who bored them — and husbands and children.
And for no harassment check the old Playboy article on “Feminist accused of sexual harassment”. That was their review of an article with that title by a lesbian college professor in a room full of lesbians on campus and as one student was taking her leave, the professor forced a kiss on her. The student started to react warmly but then pulled away and later charged the
professor with harassment. She was a young lesbian and did not want to
kiss an old woman. The professor wrote a long defensive article about
how stunned she was. As a feminist she believed she was eternally
justified. (I can’t give you the source because this was about 20 years ago.)
To bring this digression back to the subject, Samantha Allen imagines that other women are basically asexual rather than having past and present experiences with men, but she never imagines what she would do if a lesbian came on to her.
Take away everything that men give her, and have given to her, every day of her miserable life and let her live in a dark cave and starve to death with no man coming to her rescue
She can get as far away from men as possible by getting married and having kids. Problem solved. If she does not take this path, she will be shoulder to shoulder with men for the rest of her life.
She doesn’t beat around the bush. Gotta give her that.
In my opinion the most disturbing thing about this “blog” is that we have a man explaining how difficult life is for women. I don’t even know where to begin in explaining what is wrong with that concept. Anyone with any common sense should read this and say “WTF”?
I think she 100% believes it. Feminists immerse themselves in doctored hate statistics and misandric patriarchy theory. They believe every problem is caused by men and they think they have the “facts” to back it up. This clashes with their internal perception of themselves as moral human beings concerned with true gender equality. They are like a boiling pot with the lid on.
They try to keep themselves together – let off steam. Figure out ways to hate men without “man-hating.” But the pressure continues to build. They crave the catharsis of saying, “You know what…I really do hate men! I’m not going to apologize for it! Men are THE problem.” For many its too much to resist. They proclaim themselves proud bigots, but from their prospective they have just stopped beating around the bush.
It is one of my goals to ensure that all feminists get to this point. What happens next, we shall see. But one way or the other, the goal is to strip away the shields so that feminists are shown to the world for what they are. Then people have a simple choice. Choose evil, or reject it.
and here is more dead-cow milking and egg-face-wiping from her friend Marcotte
http://www.alternet.org/gender/your-ultimate-guide-what-women-really-want-4-giant-myths-debunked
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FINALLY! An honest one…I hate stealth feminists
My response. Hold up on the nauseatingly predictable victim narrative. You got a gender specific bully law known as VAWA. You got free Welfare dollars for doing nothing but popping out babies. (Which you will than bemoan some man having done it to you). You fall on hard times you get homeless shelters. The medical industry is catered to your needs, and oftentimes also subsidized at the expense of men. You get a nice pussy pass in Family courts. Criminal courts. COntrary to your lie about wage gap. When you work like men, (work ass off and self sacrifice) you make $1.05 for every dollar a man makes.
Maybe you feel you haven’t got enough from men. Lets be frank, you never EVER will think you have.
But you know what. That’s a SHITLOAD more than men get from women.
So go ahead and be the unhappy hate filled harpy, crawl into your depression quest game, cry me a river, and start shutting the fuck up over how bad you imagine you have it.
Really, all the welfare, alimony, child support and food stamps that women disproportionately get must and should be incorporated into the wage gap number.
All that income is essentially free, for the simple state of being a woman, on average, in our society.
So, notwithstanding the full debunking of the wage gap as it is claimed, all this entitlement money for no work at all should be a part of that calculation as well.
Its not how much you earn, its how much you spend. Earning involves work, risk. Spending is where the real power is. People seem to get this backwards a lot.
And it is to fit agenda. Your very point would be front and center if women earned more and men spend more.
This person has absolutely zero level of empathy. Its actually quite sad. I hope none of us get to the point where we cannot empathize with another human. Oh I get that this is a place for men to voice their hurt without shame… but this is not about shaming for me. That baby that grew into this hateful person did not start off that way, and that’s sad when you look at it that way. Not pity, not excusing the actions of this person, but genuinely sad that their life has boiled down this this. I don’t have malice towards these sorts of people, however we do need to be diligent in preventing them from having any input on things that will affect our lives. This is what gynocentrism looks like when you let it shape your entire worldview. Women are only good, men are only evil. Its sad folks, its the train wreck of a lifetime of propaganda and ideological indoctrination. While I am an atheist, I can’t help but think of the sentiment of this phrase: “But for the grace of god there go I”. Makes me appreciate my parents and community, while not perfect, they didn’t screw me up as bad as this person.
Is she for real? She sounds like she’s a nutcase, like Andrea Dworkin and Valerie Solanas. Somebody suggested here that she was just writing satire. If it is satire it’s not doing its job, not like Swift in A MODEST PROPOSAL or some of Mark Twain’s great satire anyway.
So when is one of these feminuts going to inspire, or herself carry out, a mass murder against men? Is that going to be the next mass shooting here in the USA?
If she meant to shock with her rant, no one is really ever shocked any more. Yawn.
There was a German woman a few years ago, who opened fire on men exclusively in a grocery store; if I remember correctly. She was heard apologizing to the women present and/or telling them to leave and stating that she only intended to shoot men. Interestingly, I can’t find the story in Google or Bing searches now. It seems to have disappeared. Can anyone find it? I’ve tried a few different phrasings and it’s not showing up.
Nice job women’s studies and msm. Pumped up and pumped out yet another one.
The photo…was that a nuclear explosion or just a regular hate bomb?
No — THIS is what a feminist looks like:
http://mundabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/make_me_sandwich2.jpg
It looks like she has already had far too many sandwiches.
Or could I perhaps interest you in a salad, or a jog?
No, woman, YOU provide for and protect ME!
Might want to choose a different spokeswoman. Just sayin’…
Maybe she is a spokeswoman for Maccie D ?
She really, really doesn’t need a sandwich.
She does on the other hand have to go up and clean out the gutters.
I would, but I had to get a better paying job to pay the family bills/child support.
Feminism, the oppression runs so deep that being asked to make a sandwich is near the top of the list. Go work in a coal mine and I will make you a sandwich.
That would take two ENORMOUS slices of bread, and a quart of mayonnaise to hold it in place.
And what would be the point? It’s not like anyone would eat her. Very confusing demand. 😉
I made her sandwich for her.
Did you know she is the organizer of the latest canadian slut walk, and being so fat, they had to drive her around to keep up with the demontration, because she couldn’t walk the distance?
If you end up in a relationship with this one, you’d have to make her sandwiches for her, because she can hardly move anymore. I believe it’s referred to as ‘female empowerment’, though the term should be ‘female engrossment’, for obvious reasons..
Ok how about a load of balony sandwich ?
please tell me that she doesn’t think that the greatest crime against women or equality …is a sandwich?
come back douglas adams I got a new group of ???? for you to write about.
Damian, ahh, I don’t know man, she looks kinda scary & she’s thinly hungry I will give her my left over samich, just to keep the peace.
hey?
is that pauley perette after all the meds have worn off?
For someone attempting to construct a Dworkin, she’s doing a really amazing job.
And Ill serve it to you on the construction site where you are roofing a building. Perhaps the calories would be better served doing a job which burns them.
Ethically, I could not make her a sandwich. Carrot sticks, maybe.
She needs one of those “feeder” boyfriends.
I never wanted a sandwich from you….all I have always and ever wanted is for you to stay away….far, far, far, away. I hope its all clear to you now.
Looks like “it” has had quite few sandwiches with a lot of cured meats and cheeses; hold the veggies and pile on the mayo. That would be fiber suppression due to nutritionally balanced caloric patriarchy. I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. Really,,,,, is that a human? The flying saucer “do” on the top of the cranium is an original touch though.
Good God, that woman must grind her teeth in anger all day long. I don’t even think good therapy can touch that sort of rage.
“imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented, where your work is undervalued, where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life. if you’re a woman, you don’t have to imagine that world because you already live in it.”
Most of us men DO live in that world. Women have been indoctrinated to THINK they do.
I can’t remember the last time a woman I worked with was undervalued, or comments were made about her body. I can’t remember seeing any of my female friends harassed or abused.
No one’s experiences are represented int he world, that’s just a stupid statement.
My point is that I haven’t seen any of the things she claim happen to women at the drop of a hat.
I suppose that’s cause I’m a man, but I never hear my female friends or acquaintances talk about it either.
Quote “if you’re a man, you never have and never will live in that world”
Indeed, and for a plain simple reason; because that world does not exist outside your twisted brain, you psychotic paranoid idiot.
“i feel simultaneously hopeless and infuriated and i oscillate so quickly between those two emotional extremes that i literally start to get dizzy.”
Well there’s your problem right there.. Google emotional regulation. Life is a real bitch without it man.
Someone get a flamethrower
“I hate men” – “I’m friends with some men”.
Well, that makes perfect sense. I always wondered how feminists can take a strong word like “rape” and throw it around at pretty much everything they don’t like, but now I know. It’s a form of dyslexia.
“Oh, I’m friends with some men, but I HATE MEN! Oh, the sex was consensual, but OMG I’M A RAPE VICTIM!”
Language first, Gender Studies afterwards, dear.
The label you’re looking for is called …. Cognitive Dissonance.
I have read this article before and I am still disgusted by it. But thank you for shinning a light on it AVFM
What a masterpiece of delusion and vitriol. And she can never take it back: thanks to the internet everyone knows what she is and how she thinks, and no amount of effort will put that genie back in the bottle.
I hope she’s ready for the life of loneliness and shunning she’s created for herself by vocally expressing such hatred.
“What a masterpiece of delusion and vitriol. And she can never take it back: thanks to the internet everyone knows what she is and how she thinks, and no amount of effort will put that genie back in the bottle”
Ah, but if only people cared. What negative consequences will she face? Very few to none, I’d bet. It’s considered acceptable to believe this crap.
Too bad she doesn’t hate things invented by male so she could sit in a forest with the rest of her animal sisters and survive out there.
My only hope is that she really is this genuinely miserable and one day she messes up (in a purely non fatal way) and a man has to either save her spoiled little but, or operate on her to withdraw her severe case of impacted bowel via cranial impediment.
Does anyone else cringe when women refer to all other women as their sisters?
I can’t think of anything more arrogant, more dismissive of my desires, than a forced, familial relationship being presumed on due solely to my gender.
When women say this crap, do they realise that they also include all the murders, thieves ect, that are female?
That’s some highly-enriched, weapons-grade derangement right there.
And it’s supplied freely by the ideological arms dealers in universities and other institutions across the Western world.
Feminism – a movement of the mentally ill, by the mentally ill, for the mentally ill.
Actually, a lot of this sounds very much like my experience as a male. Are we dealing with projection once again? How surprising.
Because women have no ego….. I guess?
“i want that room to be full of women and free from ego, hierarchy, sexual advances, and violence.”
Has she ever met a woman? Or a group of women, at that?
Many women have a vested interest in maintaining this bizarre cultural narrative of the pure, innocent, goodly female – much popular female support for feminism is also based on this, leading to the most jaw-dropping cases of cognitive dissonance and blindness, even in otherwise reasonably intelligent people. It’s almost instinctive – take the “ugly” and refuse to own it, refuse to be responsible for it. Men can own it, can be responsible for it. They’re the utilities and agents. It is what they’re for….
Let me guess. Cupcake chased bad boys in her youth and got burnt. Now all men are scum.
Look in the mirror princess.
This reads like the definition of 100% projection and frustrated desire for genuine princess level privilege. Narcissism and inferiority complex, not a good combination. Genuinely feel sorry for her illness as it seems incurable in this case. The knocking is probably her buried humanity trying to get out.
Shame to the Huffington Post and to all other media that allow feminists to spread their hateful lies
Business throwing people under the bus to make a buck, nothing new to see here…
“imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented, where your work is undervalued, where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life.”
Sounds like the experience of every guy I’ve even known, not just women.
I was going to reply the same way but knew someone else had my back. If delusional misfits like her only knew that the words she made are often the very same thing many, MANY, men say.
“why do i hate men? because life is short. my life is getting shorter by the day ”
And not close to fast enough in your case, honey.
When I read this, I feel sad. I think men and women both have these thoughts & feelings beneath the radar of consciousness. Not just activists like Samantha Allan, but ordinary people you just encounter walking around on the streets.
I think we could meet all of our legislative objectives (AVfM mission,) but as long as the sex war exists in our hearts, we will still all be in trouble. That’s why I pay a lot of attention to the Tamera project in Portugal.
There is no sex war. It’s feminists VS everyone else. Feminists are not a sex.
From my personal experience with most men I grew up with, most of the frustrations were about:
* How women expected men to make more money than them… …which then conflicts with women’s desire to make sure that women are making as much money as men are.
* How women only responded sexually to men in more authority and with more power, … … which then conflicts with women’s desire to have as much authority and power as men.
* How women gatekeep sex tightly, extremely rarely request it, and men are forced into the role of constantly approaching women sexually, which women then object to.
* …
And on, and on. As far as I can tell, most every issue of disparity between men and women is fundamentally about sex and security, which are deeply interwoven systems.
I know that I didn’t have much success sexually with women, until I started acting in a more dominant and aggressive way — traits and behavior patterns that did not come naturally to me. AND I see how viciously women attract pickup artists — pickup artists who are tested and DEFINED by women’s actual real life sexual responsiveness — far more than any theory, especially not a feminist theory.
I understand that politically and on the surface, it is strategically advantageous for men’s issues groups to say “It’s not about sex! It’s just about Feminism!” But I think that’s about as convincing as GamerGate.
Bring out the real issues. Talk about sex. That’s my challenge to men’s rights activists. Talk about what’s real. It’s juicy and rich and meaningful. Because as long as we pretend it’s about “ethics in gaming journalism,” it’s going nowhere.
I think there’s a real thirst out there to talk about the real things in life.
Gynocentrism predates feminism; Feminism is just today’s contemporary form of gynocentrism. Misandry goes back millenia. Are we here to talk about what is real?
That’s my challenge to you.
I don’t think it’s principally about feminism.
I liked Samantha Allen’s post because it was real. Not because it’s a chink in Feminism’s voice and armor; But because it was real. This is where we really are at. This is the real thing.
The faux nice show that you see in the popular press or in the media, — that’s the kind of thing that sustains feminism in the superficial world, and it’s just a shell game. The anger and fear and sadness that men and women have for one another — I think that’s where the real situation is.
I’m not interested in sex. I’m well aware of how the majority of these social issues have their roots in instinctive sexual behaviours, but I can assure you, the issue is with feminism and gynocentricism in all its forms. It is true that this is about more than feminism – it is a challenge on a far deeper level to the ideas and drives that feminism grew out of. Which as you say, is partly a preoccupation with instinctive sexual drives and a social perspective influenced by such. Need I point out that a preoccupation with sex in a heterosexual male *is* gynocentric? You do a disservice to the legal, philosophical and reasoned basis of many peoples’ opposition to feminism by suggesting that everyone is fighting some frustrated sex war. It’s not about sex. Feminists base much of their attitudes and perspectives in unquestioned sexual drives and instincts, as do traditionalist and gynocentric men. One affiliated with the MRM does not.
No. …
Just: No!
Heterosexual sex drive in men is NOT gynocentrism!
Neither is heterosexal sex drive in women “patriarchy” or a wish for an andro-centric society.
Heterosexual male desire for women does NOT mean, at all:
* That women should be valued by society more than men.
* That men should be given dirty and dangerous jobs.
* That men should be treated as disposable.
…and so on.
Het/Bi men and women sexually desire one another. This is NORMAL. It doesn’t, by itself, imply a gynocentric order, or a patriarchy, or anything like the contemporary gender order. It just means that there is sexual desire.
Do you believe that when men sexually desire women, that they are strengthening or contributing to gynocentrism and feminism?
I don’t understand what you mean by “Feminists base much of their attitudes and perspectives in unquestioned
sexual drives and instincts, as do traditionalist and gynocentric men.
One affiliated with the MRM does not. I know from experience, though,
that trying to convince one who sees the world through the prism of
sexual expectations (be they feminist, “white knight”, etc.) that other
people do not do so is never successful.”
He didn’t say it’s gynocentrism, he said it’s gynocentric. Because it almost always leads to gynocentric behaviors in men. Men make themselves disposable, by choosing to do many jobs that are difficult, dirty and dangerous, to earn more wealth than an easy job might pay. They do this in order to attract mates by showing potential mates how well they can provide. They continue such work to live up to their “promise” and to support their mates and children – usually to suit the standards of the mates.
Yes. I agree with you: That sexual attraction almost always leads to gynocentric behavior in men. But here is where I want to see a change.
I think that men choosing to revolt against sexual attraction to women, in order to get away from gynocentrism, is a very bad (and emotionally hurtful) decision. For both men and women.
Sexual desire and affection go hand in hand. Cutting off the desire is just like cutting off the affection. It is an incredibly deep emotional wound. I am dedicated to doing my part, to make a world where people love one another and live in fulfillment, where men and women can know one another’s suffering and challenges and pains.
Yes, I recognize that feminists are attacking men all over the place, and that men lash out at women all over the place too. But I KNOW that it all comes from emotional wounding and feelings of humiliation. It is totally obvious to me.
When a man says, “Well, I’m just going to bury my sexual feelings really deep, so that I can’t even feel them, or just pull them out when I am sure my heart is 100% protected,” I don’t see it as helping any. I understand that it can be strategically helpful for a period of time, even a much needed lifeline, but I don’t see it as a real solution.
We can have a sexual culture without humiliation and without gynocentrism. I really do believe in the promise of equality.
Only feminist women can be so emotionally stunted that they think that women will love them just because they are women. By contrast, men do not entertain the infantile illusion that men will be their buddies just because they are men. Here’s a tip for these feminist fucknuckles… start by googling relational aggression. Then google hypergamy to figure why the women that hate you are setting themselves up with the gold-laying goose that will never be your provider. Then google “child abuse” and “Maltreatment Report” or “single mother households” and “crime” to figure why the women that hate you are giving birth to the thug-spawn that you hate so much. Then google woman’s inhumanity to woman to figure why women cannot be counted on to be your best friends just because they are women. Need we go on? These people have no idea.
Feminist women are gender tribalists with no real capacity to understand a perspective external to their own emotions and drives. They expect women to love them due to mutual womanness because they take that tribalism for granted.
But only platonic love, don’t forget! #freefromsexualadvances
He hated men so much that he had to change his gender.
Samantha Allen bathes in Kool-Aid.
Thus rendering it poisonous from the venom that oozes from her every pore.
If this were just some isolated, damaged individual, it would be sad but nothing particularly threatening. The issue, the danger, is that people like this are not uncommon. This is what decades of hateful, bigoted propaganda has done; this is the sort of person who has a platform, who is coddled and validated and funded. This is what has, in essence, a mainstream movement behind it. The danger is that it’s all too possible that this drivel will be entrenched as a socially accepted truth. There is no choice here. You stand for reason, balance, civility, compassion, and self-knowledge, or you support and defend feminism. It is one of the two.
If this kind of twisted, obsessional, hyperbolic chauvinism and bigotry wasn’t currently in vogue, it would be readily seen for what it is — mental illness.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/samantha-s-vagina
Different Samantha Allen?
i think it’s the same person
from the article: I’m Samantha Allen:
http://samanthaleighallen.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/finalheader5.png?w=1038&h=240&crop=1
About
Samantha Allen writes about gender, sexuality, and technology. She is a contributor for The Daily Beast and her opinion pieces appear regularly at The Daily Dot. Her work has also appeared on Salon, Huffington Post, The Advocate, Mic, Kinsey Confidential, Jacobin, and in Adult Magazine. Samantha is the Internet’s premier alpaca enthusiast.
an open letter to games media: http://www.reactionzine.com/an-open-letter-to-games-media/
a silly game: http://heylookatmygames.com/alpacarun/
a controversial article about transphobic feminists.
Samantha Allen is a PhD student at Emory University in Women’s, Gender and Sexuality Studies.
this is an interesting article from her: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/09/we-ll-have-male-birth-control-by-2017.html
What a stupid bitch. According to her own dogma, this is why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
woh !
I don’t think there is a crane big enough in the world to be able to lift that chip off her shoulder..
I bet even her bathroom mirror begs to be left alone in the morning.
This woman needs therapy.
This is a textbook example of projection: “why do i have to answer the question “why do i hate men?” when men don’t even stop to ask why they have always hated women.”
“my life is getting shorter by the day and i want to fill it with women.
in this sinking ship of a world, i just want to enjoy a tiny little
space, a room, if you will, of my own. i want that room to be full of
women and free from ego, hierarchy, sexual advances, and violence”
I somehow think that those women do not want to be in the same room with you samantha.
You have got a severe case of a persecution complex, please seek help and recover.
Samantha Allen goes to the doctor with a frog on her head
Doctor looks up and down and says
“ermm… when did this start?”
Frog says “it started when I noticed an abscess on my belly”
“you have to get fucking baptized in menstrual blood as far as i’m concerned.”
That says it all. Congratulations Samantha Allen, you are a male hating bigot of the first order, you are a feminist.
Punchline: It’s not even a woman. Samantha Allen is a transsexual. Don’t believe me? Google the article “Crowdfunding just bought Samantha Allen a vagina,”
her biggest failure is in her lack of understanding of men. men do not hate women, men die for women. she is the typical wounded child – turned hater lacking empathy for half of the planet’s human population. I am not angry at her, I pity her
Maybe women are “free from ego”, because the more I see with how women act in Western society, the more I believe women have no shame.
Not sure if this is the same “Samantha Allen” but it is quite interesting, considering this confirms that the anti-male ideology of certain feminists was pushed by sites like Polygon:
http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/7/5692064/tomodachi-life-nintendo-bigotry
Yep that is her. In fact I believe Polygon actually published her hate piece because I remember seeing screens of it before.
Yeah, I already confirmed it with these links. Apparently Samantha Allen pushed her way into Polygon by writing a scathing attack (ironically) at Kotaku, Polygon, and others:
http://www.reactionzine.com/an-open-letter-to-games-media/
http://www.yellowboxadvertising.com/blog/2014/10/gamergate-matters-advertising-ad-agencies-part-1-2/
Ironically, despite following the whole gamergate bit, I haven’t really noticed her name before now.
Further irony is that “Samantha Allen” is a “transgender women” meaning that she was born with male sexual organs. It’s even funnier when it is considered that Brianna Wu is allegedly transgendered as well.
There is definitely something wrong when men feel the need to change their gender, do so and then rabidly attack their birth gender with feminist arguments. Just shows how far gone our society really is as far as male hatred.
Their misandry may be the reason why they decide to change their bodies in the first place. They hate their sex, they hate themselves, and they have a twisted and erroneous view of the world. I am not saying there are no “genuine” transsexuals, but it does seem that this thing is very common. Alternative sexual orientations and identities have sadly become a way to make a political statement.
Maybe they hate men so much through radical feminist claims, if they “become a woman”, its such a relief they can finally attack men and not feel personally insulted.
More importantly, “If only I were a woman, I would be a good person, and people would like me, listen to my problems and care about me”. Then a process of assimilation into the new identity starts, and every day from then on is a struggle to prove your allegiance and that you are not a man. And while there are women who are not misandrists, it cannot be denied that misandry (and feminism) is a big part of female culture and social interaction. The situation is a complex and somewhat contradictory mixture of survival thinking on one hand and self-hatred and self-destructive behavior on the other. That is what I think. I mean no ill to these people by saying this. Quite the opposite, I wish they can find a way out of it and live a better life.
There are many intelligent cheerful women whose perceptions and thoughts are not so negative – about men or life in general. We chose what we focus on – that lady has made some bad choices and has learned how to filter out what doesn’t feed her chosen self constructed narrative. Now that is what I call instant karma!
In a not too distant future, she’s going to learn the hard way that constantly hating has the same effect on the body as corrosive acid, and then things are going to get really bad from there on.
Yes Kimski – this is an interesting principle – responding in a healthy way to whatever is thrown at us is a challenge but we can also help things by exercising choice on what we focus on in the first place I guess. 🙂
True. On the other hand: If your cognitive processes has been interrupted by commercials every 15 min’s your entire life, you’re probably not capapble of exercising much of anything, when it comes to keeping focus for any given lenght of time above 2 minutes. 😉
Indeed, it is about time mainstream feminism started to condem this fruitcake, their silence condones her toxic hate.
Yes you hit on something there – the establishment has enabled pretty much the most toxic form of feminism which foments a blame culture – this encourages women to focus only what concerns them as women and ignorance of male issues is tolerated simply because such ignore-ance has become culturally acceptable. This is the scenario or the “supertanker” we face that must be turned around. That is why I have supported GamerGate because the opponents of GamerGate had practically the entire MSM batting on their side so GamerGate should never have become a “thing” – the reason it did become a thing is not the number of tweets and posts in reddit (although they play a role) but the number of gamers that were prepared to sit down day after day and send emails to the revenue providers of the corrupt gaming press ie advertisers. This is largely lacking in the MHRM is having that volume of supporters willing to do the emailing. At the risk of being sexist I would suggest that men are not as disposed to tedious repetitive emailing as women are and might help explain why feminists as a group (there are other factors too I am not pretending otherwise) have been very effective in their campaigning.
Not saying what the solution is to this but at least recognising some of the key obstacles to progress might help put the focus where it needs to be to work out best ways forward.
Plus the millions in funding.
A mass emailing / letter writing campaign doesn’t require a lot of funding.
It’s a good idea precisely because it requires sweat rather than dollars.
By the way, I’ve known a few state legislators and they tell me when they start getting handwritten or personal letters from as few as 15 constituents they start paying attention to that issue.
It’s probably more likely that none of us thought of that idea.
Different eyes, same problem, and all that shit.
This is largely lacking in the MHRM is having that volume of supporters willing to do the emailing.
The best way to change that is to pick an issue we have a chance of winning, say a shared parenting initiative in a state where the previous initiative was close to passing, then hit the political pressure points with a sustained campaign. That also allies the MRM with father’s rights group. I’ll commit to working on drafting the email though I’ll need to work with someone with a better understanding of the issue.
“what anti-semitism means to me (an exercise in substitution)
i’m an anti-semite[i]. that means i hate Jews. i’m not a cute anti-semite. i don’t have a fridge magnet that says, “Jews are stupid, throw rocks at them.” my loathing cannot be contained by a fridge magnet.
i am not an equality exponent. i don’t believe that an asymmetrical world will be cured by polite obsequence to Jew-dominated systems. i am not a liberal humanist. i don’t believe that i need to stand up for Jews when they’ve been standing on top of everyone else.
Anti-semitism is not a political program; it’s a stance. i don’t care whether hating Jews is a good or bad strategy (and i care even less what Jews think about anti-semitism). i don’t think i have a responsibility to change the world. i think i have a responsibility to survive.
imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented, where your work is undervalued, where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life. if you’re a gentile, you don’t have to imagine that world because you already live in it.
if you’re a Jew, you never have and never will live in that world. but try to imagine what it feels like. i’ll tell you: when i think about the kind of world we live in, i feel simultaneously hopeless and infuriated and i oscillate so quickly between those two emotional extremes that i literally start to get dizzy.
being a gentile in this world feels like getting buried alive. think about that. think about feeling that every day. why do i have to answer the question “why do i hate Jews?” when men don’t even stop to ask why they have always hated gentiles. i have to answer the question because Jews can’t tolerate for one second the sort of contempt they’ve had for gentiles for thousands of years.
why do i hate Jews? because life is short. my life is getting shorter by the day and i want to fill it with gentiles. in this sinking ship of a world, i just want to enjoy a tiny little space, a room, if you will, of my own. i want that room to be full of gentiles and free from ego, hierarchy, sexual advances, and violence. i hate Jews because i can’t even have that fucking room without them knocking on the walls. you have the entire fucking house. go play in it. find something else to do.
i hate Jews because it’s not my job to fix Judaism; it’s my job to heal from it and to be together with my people as we try to make it through a hostile world. and yet i am expected to patiently educate Jews on how not to be an asshole. here’s my only tip: stop spending so much time around Jews. they’re assholes.
i hate Jews because Jews hate me and the burden to take the high road should not fall on my shoulders.
i am friends with some Jews, yes. usually these are Jews who have some experience of marginalization (whether via their race, class, gender identity, sexual identity, what have you) or who have gone through the self-interrogation and relational deprogramming necessary to build meaningful community with women. you don’t just get to read a book and you’re golden. you have to get fucking baptized as far as i’m concerned.
i hate Jews doesn’t mean i hate you. it means i hate your position in this world. it means i’m not obligated to like you. it means i don’t have to talk to you if i don’t want to. it means i get to have my space and i don’t have to dance for you, smile at you, or soothe you. and you can put up with me being wary of you, can’t you, because the world has a fucking red carpet waiting for you wherever you go.”
Sometimes by substituting a few words you can get a real feel of the meaning behind it. Substituting Jews for Men is an old technique that still works well to highlight the depths of some people’s hatred.
“what anti-whiteness means to me
i’m an anti-white. that means i hate whites. i’m not a cute anti-white. i don’t have a fridge magnet that says, “crackers are stupid, throw rocks at them.” my loathing cannot be contained by a fridge magnet.
i am not a nationalist. i don’t believe that an asymmetrical world will be cured by polite obsequence to cracker-dominated systems. i am not a liberal humanist. i don’t believe that i need to stand up for whites when they’ve been standing on top of everyone else.
anti-whiteness is not a political program; it’s a stance. i don’t care whether hating whites is a good or bad anti-racist strategy (and i care even less what whites think about anti-whiteness). i don’t think i have a responsibility to change the world. i think i have a responsibility to survive.
imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented, where your work is undervalued, where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life. if you’re a racified person, you don’t have to imagine that world because you already live in it.
if you’re a cracker, you never have and never will live in that world. but try to imagine what it feels like. i’ll tell you: when i think about the kind of world we live in, i feel simultaneously hopeless and infuriated and i oscillate so quickly between those two emotional extremes that i literally start to get dizzy.
being racified in this world feels like getting buried alive. think about that. think about feeling that every day.
why do i have to answer the question “why do i hate whites?” when whites don’t even stop to ask why they have always hated racified people. i have to answer the question because whites can’t tolerate for one second the sort of contempt they’ve had for racified people for thousands of years.
why do i hate whites? because life is short. my life is getting shorter by the day and i want to fill it with racified people. in this sinking ship of a world, i just want to enjoy a tiny little space, a room, if you will, of my own. i want that room to be full of racified people and free from ego, hierarchy, sexual advances, and violence. i hate crackers because i can’t even have that fucking room without them knocking on the walls. you have the entire fucking house. go play in it. find something else to do.
i hate whites because it’s not my job to fix whiteness; it’s my job to heal from it and to be together with my nomad buddies as we try to make it through a hostile world. and yet i am expected to patiently educate crackers on how not to be an asshole. here’s my only tip: stop spending so much time around crackers. they’re assholes.
i hate whites because whites hate me and the burden to take the high road should not fall on my shoulders.
i am friends with some whites, yes. usually these are crackers who have some experience of marginalization (whether via their class, gender identity, sexual identity, what have you) or who have gone through the self-interrogation and relational deprogramming necessary to build meaningful community with racified people. you don’t just get to read a book and you’re golden. you have to get fucking baptized in a racified load as far as i’m concerned.
i hate whites doesn’t mean i hate you. it means i hate your position in this world. it means i’m not obligated to like you. it means i don’t have to talk to you if i don’t want to. it means i get to have my space and i don’t have to dance for you, smile at you, or soothe you. and you can put up with me being wary of you, can’t you, because the world has a fucking red carpet waiting for you wherever you go.”
^I’m pretty sure this version is already easy to encounter, though.
Brilliant. And all you had to do was use the “Find and Replace with” function in your word processor. Easier than picking up girls with a Maserati. 🙂
I wouldn’t know.
After I blew my savings taking various girls on dates etc, I never had enough money for the down payment on a beat up VW, never mind a Maserati.
As I’ve said before, one day, feminism will be listed in the DSM-IV.
And this gal will have her picture printed next to the definition.
Or she might even have her own entry. The average crazy person doesn’t go this far off the deep end. The average therapist doesn’t have a pool deep enough for her brand of crazy.
Well nothing stopping this self-loathing creature and her friends from buying some cheap land in the middle of nowhere and starting a commune, she might be able to raise a few million by crowd funding. I will throw in 10 bucks, on the proviso that the only roads to the commune are one way.
http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?ct=D&pid=205004438
http://www.landwatch.com/Eureka-County-Nevada-Land-for-sale/pid/289284653
http://realestate.classifieds1000.com/Western_Sahara
HAHA!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10187423/970-acre-Scottish-island-with-full-hunting-rights-on-sale-for-500000.html
I like her article – it is possibly the first feminist article I have ever been able to stomach.
She hates men and is honest about it. That’s much better than the millions of other feminists who pretend that isn’t at the heart of what they are and it is a million times better than the feminist campaigns for more goodies disguised as crusades against the big bad patriarchy.
As a man, I hope she finds that place she is looking for, a place where women can be united in their hatred of men who aren’t there and never had much of a role in their lives anyway other than to provide relative comfort and safety and splendor of the modern western world.
And may you never ask, ‘Do we really hate men or is it by collectively hating the people that we exclude from our lives, we are able to get along with each other.” If that’s the case, her brand of feminism is typical group dynamics as realized by lesbians.
Then who should take the high road? The men she hates? Why does this strong empowered women not lead by example?
All I can think to do is quote Stuart Smalley: “…and that’s…. o-kayyy….”
Crossing the street seeing THAT coming will NOT be a problem.
“I hate men because men hate me”
Bitch please.
The only person even giving you a passing thought is your mother and she probably thinks you’re a whiny bitch, too.
That sounded judgy
And because “men hate women”? Really now. I could have sworn men have caved in on nearly every thing women have wanted, no matter the fallout? Sounds like some horrible hatred, huh?
What fucking red carpet?
I find the honesty refreshing. I wish all feminists were this honest.
But when she needs a little plumbing or electrical work done, she heroically manages to contain her hate for the nonce. Girl power!
Yep. Men built and maintain civilization. Try living in the wilderness, Samantha!
“I have a responsibility to survive.”
You are human, and contrary to your feelings, that includes both women AND MEN. You have an obligation to make humanity better.
“imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented,…”
-Like men are only used as disposable tools, and their feelings don’t matter?
“…where your work is undervalued,…”
-Like the men you hate that work on power lines to give you light, the men you hate that made the computer where you spew your insanity, and the men who built the internet so you can broadband it out to be mocked mercilessly? (and you should be mocked.)
“…and the where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life.”
-Like that teenage boy whose picture was taken by an adult woman and is being gawked at by all those creepy middle aged women as a sex toy?
“…if you’re a man, you never have and never will live in that world.”
-We live in a world that makes yours seem like paradise. Even a lesbian, who has every reason to avoid and shun men, realizes women have it better when she tried to hide as a man. She needed serious therapy to overcome what she experienced. She earned respect by stating this. You have no clue.
Link/Vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU
“…i hate men because men hate me and the burden to take the high road should not fall on my shoulders.”
-The reason why men don’t like being around you is that you are raging without reason, hating half the human race without an inciting incident. You never even tried to like men. What was the INCITING INCIDENT DIRECTED AT YOU that made you hate men? “Just because they exist,” doesn’t fucking count.
Again, I seriously think feminism on this level needs to be a DSM-VI (when it comes out,) disorder or illness. This has all the markings of an all-out phobia of men, as well as….well, let’s see:
1) Distorted thinking patterns-Check
2) Problematic emotional responses-Check
3) Over- or under-regulated impulse control-Check
4) Interpersonal difficulties-Check
Yep, she has a personality disorder even by DSM-V criteria (side-by-side comparison of DSM-IV and DSM-V here): http://www.psi.uba.ar/academica/carrerasdegrado/psicologia/sitios_catedras/practicas_profesionales/820_clinica_tr_personalidad_psicosis/material/dsm.pdf
This woman needs to undergo severe psychotherapy. Not what the feminists have corrupted it to be. Honest, soul searching, come to whateverthefuckgods you believe in type therapy.
Samantha wrote:
“imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented, where your work is undervalued, where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life. if you’re a woman, you don’t have to imagine that world because you already live in it.”
Interestingly, Samantha is a trans woman and her surgery was less than a year ago, in April 2014, according to this article: http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/samantha-allen-crowdfund-vagina-indiegogo/
I wonder if she hates the men who crowd-funded her transition.
I recently finished an MFA at the Art Institute of Chicago, and this stuff is like scripture there. It is refreshing in a way to see someone lay it out so frankly.
Not that it contains anything that people here wouldn’t be familiar with, but I’ve started my own site to try and appeal to liberal artist guys like myself, who might be turned of by something geared specifically to men. GenderAllies.org
I’ll take a look. When I got my undergraduate degree in architecture it was at a fairly conventional school as yet uninfected by feminist ideology. As a result I argued, battled, drew, designed, and learned a great deal. When I got my masters, on the other hand, it was at a department that had been largely taken over by radical feminists. Straight men were treated poorly by the faculty. All the graduate assistants were gay men or women. It was obvious, and a joke.
People built “smelly walls” and made quilts out of rotten fruit for their masters theses. I got out as quickly as I could. None of the people I graduated with who had attended that university for their pre-professional and professional degrees ever got jobs in architecture. Their radical feminist education and it’s oh-so-careful speech taught them nothing about how buildings go together. What farce.
That’s a point worth picking out of this mess, because it reminds us that when feminists say they “love” men, or say they “hate” men, or when they select another term, it’s ALWAYS a strategy. And that strategy is always centered around feminism’s raison d’etre: coercive, totalitarian power.
What saddens me most is that, much as I’d like to think this screed would simply discredit this lunatic, the pessimist in me thinks of Sweden, and wonders if Allen isn’t just ahead of curve, and if in 20 years this attitude will be perfectly acceptable even in polite society, taught in school and espoused openly by politicians.
I forget, why is it that I’m supposed to oppose the spectre of Islamic jihadism taking over the world? To protect a civilization in which this monster is given voice by the mainstream media, and is respected and praised, and given sympathy when she should be given all the contempt given the denizens of stormfront? Yet I’m willing to bet this won’t even tarnish her career one bit. If this is the direction in which we’re headed, I feel I have no more vested interest in this civilization and couldn’t care less if ISIS decides to crown the next caliph in my living room and water their horses in my bathtub.
“Sweden” ?
Where radfem ideas like this are much more acceptable, and i believe there’s even actually a radical feminist political party with control of some public offices that holds more or less comparable views to Miss Allen.
Thinking of the Green Party maybe? http://www.friatider.se/sa-romson-attackerade-vita-m-n-i-almedalen
We also have Feminist Initiative which is even worse, but it is not (yet?) in the parliament.
now that’s one fucked up bitch.
Ahhhh. Appreciate honesty. Beautiful.
Since honesty is something most ideologues and religious disciples are so damned incapable of! And not surprisingly since truth is a casualty in war and they’re fighting a war against their fellow humans in addition to a war within themselves. The feminist religion is fueled by emotional illness and often the sickest disciples of this movement are the most faithful and true to the spirit behind it! The moderates spreading feminist memes, preaching pretty feminist bullsh*t (ex. Ema Watson) to the masses are in their way more insidious. Bring monsters into the light.
“imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented, where your work is undervalued, where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life.”
Follow up line about ‘if you’re a man you’ll never know what that’s like’. I’m a man. I have male friends. We live that every day. It’s not a male or female issue, that’s an issue for everyone who’s alive. The world does not owe us privacy when we step out into public, and we are not entitled to success by merit of birth.
I’m a male, and my experiences are not represented because my worth as a person is defined by others by how I can be of use to them.
My work is undervalued, because even though I excel at my job (I’m a LMT) I can’t make enough to afford a decent place to live. Also, my career is biased towards women, as most people are more comfortable with a female touching them than a man. I accept this and stick to my career, because this double standard has a tradeoff that some people assume a male can give a better ‘deep tissue’ or ‘sports’ massage, and there we have proof that a double standard will go both ways.
I’m a male, why is my hair so long? Why don’t you shave, don’t you know girls like guys better without a beard? You’re out of shape, no girl will want to fuck you. Getting fucked is all you guys care about, right? Why don’t you try to look like someone girls will want to fuck?
I’m a male. My fiance choose another man because the fact that I refit my entire life to revolve around her and her happiness didn’t mean as much as if I had a well paying job. I currently have a hard time finding a companion, because the fact that I am funny, empathetic, giving, romantic, and selfless mean nothing when weighed against the fact that that other guy is in better shape than me. Or makes more money than me. Or said he’s going to be better this time with those puppy dog eyes before the next time he gets drunk and gives my friend a fresh black eye.
I refuse to ever lump ‘all women’ in with ‘feminists’, because I’ve known enough women to stupidly lump people into group stereotypes, but for every woman out there who thinks they’re oh so disadvantaged because when they dress to attract they actually get attention, let me just say you will never understand what privileges you have compared to those you vilify.
How can a person be so delusional. Most of her feelings are build on paradigms. Very very egocentric. She should be closed in mental hospital.
She’s Joseph Mengala demented.
Egotism. Very common disease in today’s radically individualistic times.
EDIT: Actually such strong egotism isn’t very common.
I really knew nothing of this Samantha Allen until this piece, and I am wondering if I would not be better if I had never heard of her. Every time you follow links from her own blogs and haunts, avenues opens up that are like a crazy hall of mirrors in a carnival that travels at the speed of light from one planet to another.
I thought that the references to baptism in Menstrual Blood were a little odd, until I realised that Allen is Trans. That simply showed a need to mimic and plagiarise others lives, coupled with massive need to seek attention. The Crowd Sourcing Fund raiser for Surgery to create a vagina screams attention seeking, even if passed of a quirky. Her Narcissism is a given, but the levels are beyond extreme.
I have had little time for the views of Radfems on the views and behaviours of trans folk, but I have to admit that Allen has obliged me to reconsider a great deal of what I have heard and read. I’m not at all convinced that Allen is Trans – just attention seeking in highly destructive ways. All I see is pathological exploitation of others under shifting banners of convenience.
“i don’t believe that i need to stand up for men when they’ve been standing on top of everyone else.”
I don’t have any reason to pretend this is anything other than a lack of empathy bordering on a kind of sociopathic emptiness. How peculiar does your experience of the world have to be for it to cause you to ignore so completely the enormous suffering undergone by so many members of the group you demonize? “Own group preference” is a theory of social interaction that has a lot of currency right now in the MRM. Assuming it’s valid, this is own group preference carried to a pathological extreme.
We’re all familiar, too, with the conflation of the experience of a few, privileged men with the experience of nearly all men. It’s infinitely tiresome. I started out the preceding paragraph enraged, but now I’m pretty close to boredom. This is that same old shit with a very slightly different inflection.
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That section of Allen’s essay ties directly to her later remarks that:
“imagine being born into a world where your experiences are not represented, where your work is undervalued, where your body is always open for comment, where your friends are routinely harassed and abused, and where this situation will literally be your reality for your entire life. if you’re a woman, you don’t have to imagine that world because you already live in it. if you’re a man, you never have and never will live in that world. but try to imagine what it feels like.”
I don’t doubt many if not most men in the MRM know exactly what that feels like.
It’s a regular topic of conversation, in fact. It’s bizarre to hear our lived experience denied by someone who will never be sent to war but who nonetheless asserts with absolute confidence that having one’s body “open for comment” is somehow worse than having one’s body treated as cannon fodder. And never mind how any man who grew up skinny or fat or short can tell you exactly what it‘s like not only to be commented on but bullied and beaten just for having a certain body type. We know women go through this, too, and I’ve never heard a man deny it; we only object to the point of disgust with the standard feminist blindness that, when confronted with an injured woman and a murdered man, sees only the woman.
It’s bizarre, too, to hear someone talk about work being undervalued when it’s men, of course, who do the bulk of the world’s dirty, dangerous jobs. I won’t go on. Everyone here knows the litany by heart, that the pay gap is a fraud, that the on the job death rate disfavors men 12 to 1.
It’s only in the last month that I’ve come to understand contemporary feminism as a church, with its articles of faith and tribal divisions of the world. It’s no more possible for reason to prevail in conversation with committed feminists than it is to argue against the divinity of Christ with a priest.
It’s only been in the last week that it has been occurring to me that feminism is a pathology, involving extreme, own group preference as a sociopathic tendency, and of a kind that when one race exhibits it towards another we have no difficulty calling it virulent racism.
So why and how does a bigot like Samantha Allen differ from the likes of Christina Hoff Somers, Camille Paglia, and Cathy Young? What’s the difference between one-time feminists like Dr. Warren Farrell who are able to learn from the evidence and engage in rational debate, and the great majority who simply cannot?
She still has a job writing for these publications?
The Duke Lacrosse case–which would have destroyed her career 30 years ago–was a small hitch in the career of Amanda Marcotte. These days, where publications cater to niche audiences, there will always be an audience for the red meat of gender-based hatred.
I’ve seen that audience close up. If a writer has learned how to appeal to hatred and preconceptions she’ll have a permanent fan base. An article can be badly stitched together, total bullshit, and still sell to the target audience.
In her case, and she’s the only trans woman I can think of that matches this description, her hatred of men seems to come from a bizzare projection of her hatred of herself. It wasn’t enough to rid her own body of maleness, she has to expunge maleness from the entire world. Its as if the only way she could truly effect her own transition is by forcing her male guilt on the rest of the world. Its if as she thought that transitioning to a female body would liberate her from all suffering, and with her false hope dashed, she blames all men everywhere for her own feelings of self hatred. And she needs to do this, because without a way to redirect her pain towards an external source, even the most moderate self reflection leads to suicidal ideation.
So she has to double down on victim ideology. Because she thought that feeling like a woman would mean feeling liberated from self hatred, she doesn’t feel like a woman. So she searches for the essential truth of what it means to be a woman. But radical queer theory and gender feminism teach that gender is a social construct, so there no mannerism, no skill, no idea, no character trait, no attitude that is essentially feminine and that she can cultivate to feel like a woman. There is only one thing at all that distinguishes men and women in the radical feminist cannon: victimhood. The only trait that women are allowed to feel as uniquely and distinctly feminine is victimhood.
So she expands and refines and multiplies her sense of victomhood because it is the only thing she can grasp on to that will make her feel more feminine. And now she is stuck in a place where she believes that the only way to end her feelings of self hatred are to define herself completely and totally as a victim. And when this fails, she hates herself even more. And she doubles down on her victimhood, which leads her to hate all men. And you can’t hate someone else that much without also hating yourself.
And on it goes, and on it goes.
And not only is she taught that all men are the oppressor, but any kind of male happiness she sees anywhere reminds her of her own misery. Fixated on men as the source of her pain, she wishes to end the process by which their happiness reminds her of her own misery. And that means inflicting pain of men. At some level she understands that her own ideology is the best weapon for this. So she encourages men to view themselves through the same lens of hatred and pain and despair that she sees herself. She wants them to undergo the same process of inverted self discovery that she undertook whereby men lose their identity in a sea of pain. Pain is the only distinctly female emotion, and only by replacing all aspects of their own personalities for misery can men be redeemed through some kind of contact with the feminine. But this is not a one time journey. A man must live the rest of his life in unending, unyielding, relentless suffering in order to be considered the one kind of person a gender ideologue recognizes as fully human: a woman.
She’s a trans-woman?! I really shouldn’t be so surprised,some fellow trans women are so desperate for female approval however slight or grudging that they’ll do anything and everything to get that approval.
She’s a trans-woman?! I really shouldn’t be so surprised,some fellow trans women are so desperate for female approval however slight or grudging that they’ll do anything and everything to get that approval.
I’ve met her. And she’s held up in the academic world as an example to other trans folk.
That just seems so god damned sad. My few glimses of the trans community give me the impression of a very tough life. To see ideologues exploit the desire for inclusion so cynically, to hear it is not completely incommon, its very depressing.
Remarkable explanation. It has the powerful ring of truth. I’m aware of the risks of analyzing at a distance, but that was persuasive.
I’ve met her. I’d didn’t know at the time how bigoted she was. But her hurt and pain were very apparent.
Very good explanation. This is the kind of horror that misandry can lead to.
Nailed it!
Female is the template, male is an anomaly. Men can not live without the X chromosome, but women don’t need it. The X chromosome is also bigger where the Y is shriveled and small. Males are also weaker in the womb and have higher chances of miscarriage. Men have mammary glands, nipples, breast tissue and can also produce milk. Men are just a fucked up version of females, one where pretty much everything went wrong.
I think Valerie Solanas’ way of describing it was much more poetic, before she went out and shot Andy Warhol like a crazy bigot:
“The male is a biological accident: the y(male) gene is an incomplete x(female) gene, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion…. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.”
Anyway, when I was a kid I used to play with army guys. You know, the little green plastic men? If you look really carefully you can actually see the little nubs where they cut the little army guy from the mold. I always thought that was pretty interesting and it sparked in me a lifelong interest in how things are constructed.
You bring up a good point. Maybe men’s origin from the womb of women is what sparked so many of us to be curious about the science of biology, and make so many advances in modern obstetrics. Don’t forget to thank men for sulphonamides, obstetric anaesthesia, and the obstetric ultrasound – otherwise you wouldn’t have been able to write your comment there!
Of course, the Y chromosome was discovered by a woman, Nettie Stevens, who never went out and shot anybody, nor ever wrote bat shit crazy female supremacist nonsense. Amazing what a person can do when focused on accomplishment instead of hatred!
Anyway, this article is pretty old, and I won’t be responding to you anymore here. But if you want to come play on the front page, I’ll be happy to respond to your bigotry in front of a wider audience.
Kisses!
Actually, without men, the human race would die. If we were just “anomalies”, women would be able to create life without our help and we wouldn’t comprise anywhere near half the population. Nothing that occurs roughly 50% of the time can be considered an anomaly. Women may be the “cradle of life”, but men are the life givers. Without our seed, there would be no human race.
LOL your seed. ”life givers”. LOL no there is the woman seed also they mix together male and female seeds. fuck you .
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Bimbo has memorized the talking points. Yay.
What a nut! She has psychological problems, right?
Well honey, there is help if you want it.
Is she someone famous? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of her.
“Not all feminists are like that!”
Yet all who ARE like that are certainly feminists, by their own admissions. Now tell us how that happens?
How does an benevolent “equality” theory lend itself to hate so easily?
I totally understand where you’re coming from Samantha…can I call you Sam?…now…blow me! Then F*ck off!
Tell me where your thoughts match the dictionary definition of feminist equality Samantha? I think this will make a perfect dictionary definition of misandry, along with gender feminism in action and results. Love people, but pity gender feminists, look at who they get to party with.
http://www.amerika.org/politics/a-feminist-accidentally-reveals-the-truth-of-second-wave-liberalism/
OK. Now that we’ve all had a wonderful trip to interior world of Samantha Allen, let’s look at her softer side. I present to you her song, Alpaca Run. Yes, that is her singing, her lyrics, and her music. Now, listen to this and contrast it to her writing sample above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1slsT_GUbY
That is a weird voice — and sounds masculine. Are you sure it is her? What is your info source?
If you wait until the end of the video you’ll see her in the credits. Also, this song is from some time back before she transitioned from being a man.
Lastly, I met her. And was in the room with her when she lead a group of people in a sing-along of this song.
That must be weird, seeing someone you know, in the news.
I’ve met her. Know her? Not quite. My sense of her pain come from inferences about body language and hearing her speak.
I’ve met Zoe Quinn and Maya Kramer as well, and I suspected before any of this craziness came out that they were both toxic, and had quietly decided to have nothing to do with either of them. So, yes, it’s very crazy.
I wasn’t aware that Ms. Allen got into the news other than leaving the games industry. What have I missed?
Wow, that’s horrid amateurish crap.
Actually, as a musician, I find the tune quite catchy.
Feminism is pretty catchy too.
To each their own. Eeeeeeccchhhh..
Don’t get me wrong. The singing is dreadful and the lyrics have no relationship to the rhythm of the melody.
But nonetheless, its an effective piece of music. Can’t you imagine her stabbing someone to death in the bath tub while singing this?
ROFL Now that fits.
And now you can also explain how this has anything to do with the topic. Oh wait no, you can’t.
Remember what we said about huffing glue and going on the internet?
Here’s a tip for her – kill yourself, and take your homosexual friends with you.
The world will be a better place for it.
She was a HE http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/samantha-allen-crowdfund-vagina-indiegogo/
Self hater projecting self hate upon the world. This literally explains everything about ‘her’ post.
Woooooow, that was bat sh*t crazy balls. O.O If I or any other man wrote this about women we’d be vilified and pilloried across the world wide net pretty much for the rest of our lives.
Red carpet? Perchance where is this magical Red Carpet for all men that is rolled out like we’re all Kings? I’ve yet to see jack and, sh*t of this mythical privlage granted to all men by some world wide secret committee. I’ve worked my ass off for everything I have, no man handed me a damn thing. No one treats me special either no matter where I am. I’ve got no idea what world she gets these ideas from.
She’s also crazy for thinking all men hate all women. What a truly insane idea.
This one is destined to be the quintessential crazy cat lady.
Crazy Llama lady (see below)
Yes, crappy digital lamas.
“I’ve worked my ass off for everything I have, no man handed me a damn thing.” Actually you may want to think about that. You don’t live in a vacuum, therefore you have depended on other for life at some point. Fact: You didn’t “work your ass off” in the womb; a woman took care of you. You did nothing to deserve it. Someone paid the bills while you were growing up. You may have picked up mail once or twice in your life or maybe, maybe had insurance of some kind (which is only possible because of other people.) Use that melon on your shoulders.
The same can be said for you Momo – your parents, paying the bills … what makes you superior to men?
You’re really holding it against men that we had no choice but to spend time in a woman’s womb when we were fetuses? Your brain is seriously FUBAR. Oh, and girls are taken care of by men who pay their bills for them when they’re growing up too (as are their mothers, quite often)
Tell her it’s all lies. I do to my daughter.
Hatemongers are all the same. Whether it’s people who hate whites, or blacks, or Muslims, or gays there’s always this underlying rage in the words they use. The group they hate becomes the cause of every problem in their life, and they’re never able to move on from being angry towards the group.
Aren’t the feminist the only one who hate only one, very big , group ? They hate whites but love (at least nominally) gays, Muslims, blacks and every sexual minority ( incest included)?
Well they don’t like men, so how can they love gay men, Muslim men or black men. Please explain this to me?
Actually “love”. I doubt they really care about them and don’t really care about woman. Of course they hate all men. But they are against segregating them based on race. Unless they are white of course e.g “White man are awful bigots” is completely acceptable for them, while “Black man are awful bigots” is completely no-no, cause that wouldn’t be proggresive.
1. Muslims and Rotterham Rapes. Like 1500 rapes done in 20 years by Pakistani Muslim gangs. Do feminists care? I guess being scared of being called “racist” is more important than helping (even verbally) the real victims of the rape culture. Also: Why feminism criticism strongest focus is white man? What about ISIL where they have price list(!) for woman? Isn’t that real misogyny? What about deluded woman who emigrated to Syria to join ISIL only to become fuck and breeding dolls? Or maybe “social problems” like “catcalling” is bigger problem?
2. They “love” gays or actually all “sexual minorities” activists because they are their allies in fight for dismantling family and destroying Christianity and tradition. As for example: The so called “Convention against violence in the family”. Article 6 and 12. They obligate states to actively support culture and social changes, promoting different that standard man-woman relationships. Not to mention plethora of benefits given to the woman exclusively . If you like reading bureucratic gibberish then here you go: http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/convention-violence/convention/Convention%20210%20English.pdf
Let’s not make this about arguing that letting gay people participate freely and openly, with equal access to everything, in public life is about “destroying Christian tradition.” This isn’t a Christian country, nor an oligarchy. This is a pluralistic nation with a separation of Church and state. Not every Christian has a problem with gay marriage or gay rights and gay people are not demanding rights because we care about Christianity one way or another. We are demanding rights because we’re entitled to them. Christians like you are destroying your own religion by conducting yourself with ignorance so off-putting to reasonable people of good will that they want nothing to do with your religion. Homophobia is damaging Christianity, but gay people are not.
Nice stream of consciousness.
Nice non-response. Almost like you didn’t have an actual rebuttal to anything I said but just had to try and get the last word anyway.
People like you are doing more to destroy christianity than gay people or even feminists ever could. You demonstrate an inability and/or unwillingness to evolve which encourages everyone else to leave you behind.
Because I write truth?
Feminists don’t love “gays”, they only love lesbians. Many (most?) feminists actually hold really bigoted views of gay men, or at the very least have never condemned feminism’s history of homophobia towards gay men. Feminists (some knowingly, some out of ignorance) throw their support behind a movement with a history of bigotry towards gay men and trans people (which is why it’s ironic that Allen is a feminist at all). Then they have the nerve to shriek “mansplainer!” and “you could never understand oppression, cos you’re a MAN!” even at the gay men feminism has often oppressed the most. The existence of gay men is a problem for feminists: they teach that only women can be oppressed, and men can only be oppressors, yet gay men have undeniably been the victims of oppression at the hands of women.
“Feminists don’t love “gays”, they only love lesbians. Many (most?)
feminists actually hold really bigoted views of gay men, or at the very
least have never condemned feminism’s history of homophobia towards gay
men.”
So? Mainstream Feminists ( Who I did write about in my previous posts) don’t love and they actually hate christian feminists too. And other woman who don’t support abortion, conception pills, same-sex “marriages” or/and who self-identifiy with conservatism/patriotism/nationalism.. ,
“Feminists (some knowingly, some out of ignorance) throw their support
behind a movement with a history of bigotry towards gay men and trans
people (which is why it’s ironic that Allen is a feminist at all). Then
they have the nerve to shriek “mansplainer!” and “you could never
understand oppression, cos you’re a MAN!” even at the gay men feminism
has often oppressed the most. The existence of gay men is a problem for
feminists: they teach that only women can be oppressed, and men can only
be oppressors, yet gay men have undeniably been the victims of
oppression at the hands of women.”
Somehow one way or other gay + feminists “rights” go hand by hand together. Focusing only on feminism is like watching shadows in the Plato cave. What the real problem is postmodernism and its toxic manner of “deconstructing” things like nation/patriotism/sex/history/culture/etc.
Gay rights and feminism do not go hand in hand. If they did, I would have slightly less reason to oppose feminism, since I’m a gay man. I realize that you don’t care about gay people since you say “So?” to the prospect of gays being oppressed and put gay marriage in scare quotes, as if that will change the fact that gay marriage is being legalized nationwide. Yet you clearly expect me to care whether or not christians and conservatives have been hurt by feminism, even though christians have often hurt gay people, too. And y’know what? I do actually care that feminism has hurt christians and conservatives, because I know not all of them are bigots, even though a large number are. I also don’t really care that you see being gay as a problem, or that you equate it with feminism, even though being feminist is a choice and being gay is just a characteristic people can’t help (and shouldn’t want to.) People like you, who are hostile towards gay people and clearly resent us for fighting for equality, are dying out, whether they be christian, atheist, Jewish, male, female, liberal, conservative or what have you.
The eyes see what the disturbed mind looks for.
I’m also calling this little piece of poison the ‘hate speech’ the SJWs are always yammering about. If this doesn’t fit that very definition I don’t know what does.
being a woman in this world feels like getting buried alive. think about that. think about feeling that every day.
Yeah man, it’s just like being in Auschwitz.
She also seems to hate the Shift key.
Sort of like e.e. cummings? (a man)
Samantha Allen is no E.E. Cummings.
Ya see, Allen isn’t even original.
being a woman in this world feels like getting buried alive. —
yep, glad I was not one of the men on the Titanic
Samatha Allen (blond) seems to be trying so hard to fit in with the other women. One wonders if her anger and hatred of masculinity may be the inability to fit in – and as a trans woman – not getting the same attraction by men that other women get.
… … wait a minute … doth mine eyes deceive me … is or that Sark herself second from right????
This. Explains. So. Much.
Hates all men? Including your father, uncles, brothers, friends, etc included. Me too? Have you met every man out there?
That’s like saying all females are sluts and need to be raped.
Hitler hated the jews. The KKK hates the blacks, need I go on?
These “Man haters” should not be able to benefit from “Male Labors”
lol taking advantage of what men have achieved ? many discoveries were made by women like marie curie and the computer youre using was first programmed by a woman. women were not allowed education before ignorant prick nor making their own money. if they had more privilèges LIKE YOU MEN they would have been better now. plus a lot of men have stolen ideas of women and work done by them. stop acting like the victim when youre not.
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Semi-literate wholly irrational seagull who can’t operate Disqus.
lol
Wow! Imagine if the word “misandrist” was replaced with “Nazi” and the word “men” was replaced with “Jew” …
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I’m a Nazi. That means I hate Jews. I’m not a cute Nazi. I
don’t have a fridge magnet that says, “Jews are stupid, throw rocks at
them.” …
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When are our ridiculously selfish politicians going to see this for what it is – a hate crime. Samantha Allen is a purveyor of hate and, like a Nazi, should be prosecuted to the full extent under the law.
If I were a Nazi (and I despise Nazis as I despise Samantha Allen), I could very well find myself incarcerated for writing something so hatefully anti-Semitic – and rightfully so.
And as for our law enforcement officials, please see all people like Samantha Allen for who they are – hate mongering criminals who do nothing to make our society a better place, but rather divide people using lies and hypocrisy. Charge them with a hate crime, try them in a court of law and, if they are found guilty, punish them accordingly with time in prison.
For God’s sake – our politicians and law enforcement officials wake up!
Enough is enough. When is our society going to demand an end to this blatant hatred?
The fact that this website has a spell-checker that doesn’t recognize the word “misandrist” tells me everything I need to know about the third wave of feminism.
Wait, most Nazi’s were men. Actually the whole thing was created by a man. Therefore, you fail.
1 – So the word “most” means that there were, in fact, female members of the Nationalist Socialist Party … and there were … lots of them … get your facts straight … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Nazi_Germany
2. So because the founder of the party was a man – are you implying that all men are Nazis – the same as Hitler? Because if you are, then you are no different from a Nazi – you dislike me not for what I’ve done, but for what I am – the same thing the Nazis did to the Jews!
Feminists are very similar to nazi, that is why many call them feminazis
And here I debated a “nice feminist, that don’t hate men” on a Norwegian site… .and then I read this.
I hope all “nice feminists, that don’t hate men” stand up to this shit, because that shit ain’t helping the “feminist cause”
Sadly, most “nice” feminists only wear a mask of civility in public. They hear the crap being spewed by their more obviously bigoted cohorts all the time and either tune it out or support it. Even if they don’t personally hate men, they give tacit approval to those among their ranks who do. Feminism will never do a single thing to combat misandry.
Can’t somebody report her to police?
For what? For thinking what she wants? You do realize how many men hate women and tell them they’re going to rape them, call them cunt and worse and no man ever points out that this behavior is wrong. Because penis.
I’m sorry Momo, but men calling women ‘the C-word’ is disgusting, but it is not hate-speech. Calling for another person, or group of people, to be killed IS hate speech, and it’s illegal in civilized countries.
I’m sorry Momo, but men calling women ‘the C-word’ is disgusting, but it is not hate-speech. Calling for another person, or group of people, to be killed IS hate speech, and it’s illegal in civilized countries.
Momo is as crazy as the writer. Feminists are violent bigoted haters, jealous of men, despite taking advantage of what men have achieved. Of course normally these crazies are ignored but the patriarchy elite are pushing and sponsoring feminism for power and control, divide and rule
It’s a shame that so many young feminists like Momo are consumed with hate when they could potentially be making a valuable contribution to society.
But that might mean actual work, which potty-mouthed princesses like momo are really not interested in doing. Not if they can get a man to do it for them.
lol taking advantage of what men have achieved ? many discoveries were made by women like marie curie ( discovered radium, worked her ass off in impoverished conditions where she got a disease) and the computer youre using was first programmed by a woman. women were not allowed education before ignorant prick nor making their own money. if they had more privilèges LIKE YOU MEN they would have been better now. plus a lot of men have stolen ideas of women and work done by them. stop acting like the victim when youre not.
If you’re going to quote feminist propaganda, try and make it sound coherent.
lol taking advantage of what men have achieved ? many discoveries were made by women like marie curie and the computer youre using was first programmed by a woman. women were not allowed education before ignorant prick nor making their own money. if they had more privilèges LIKE YOU MEN they would have been better now. plus a lot of men have stolen ideas of women and work done by them. stop acting like the victim when youre not.
lol so you ahve to wait to get to the killing so that is become hate speech ? lol youre fucking out of your mind. women are always doubted and seen as objects, incapable. very recent they have rights and are allowed education and earn their own money, now they are succesful fuck you.
Speaking in hyperbole is a sign of a weak mind. No man “ever” points out that threatening to rape women is wrong? Bull. Men defend women ALL THE FRIGGIN’ TIME. It’s actually women who almost never defend men, cos women are usually too busy bashing guys and whining that some man didn’t agree with them or do exactly what they wanted. That’s really a big part of what feminism is all about: women telling men how to be men, and acting like our primary concern should be how our expressions of masculinity affect women. Sorry, we’re not interested in giving your selfish, myopic, illogical hate movement any authority over our lives. You clearly know nothing about men, so stop inaccurately reporting what we do or don’t do.
men dont care about women, shut the fuck up, why you think it is recent women had rights ? they were not allowed education before or to earn their own money. shut the fuck up. women are always seen as objects and doubted and incapable in the first place. I know it. ive seen it.
It’s hard to be sure what you’re even trying to say, since you can apparently barely talk. When you say women weren’t allowed to do certain things “before,” you should probably mention that “before” means generations ago. For generations, western women have been allowed to do anything they want. Feminists aren’t fighting to ensure that women can do things, they’re fighting to ensure that men and non-feminist women CAN’T do anything without feminist permission. Women and men are both often objectified as sex objects, but men have the added burden of also being objectified as human shields who exist only to protect women. Saying women are “always” seen in the ways you describe is inaccurate and hyperbolic. I will go right on saying whatever I like, since I’m a well-spoken person with valid points to make. Maybe YOU should try taking your own advice and shut the fuck up yourself until you learn how to speak like a human being.
Short version: I’m terribly afraid of men
And lest anyone claim otherwise, mentally unstable teenage girls have always been the face of feminism.
This one’s just more upfront about it.
Saw this in the Federalist, didn’t know whether to post it under male suicide or male genital mutilation.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/11/trouble-in-transtopia-murmurs-of-sex-change-regret/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=23d0544c79-RSS_DAILY_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-23d0544c79-83773797
QUOTE: “You have to get fucking baptized in menstrual blood as far as i’m concerned.” This is one sick puppy …. I think she has a bad case of rabies.
She hasn’t even been “baptized in menstrual blood” herself, since she doesn’t get a period. If she’s gonna pass out horrid, disgusting advice, the least she could do is follow it herself.
This person is batshit crazy. She was born into the body of a man, after all. Seems like she is over-compensating to prove that she really didn’t become a woman so she could go into women’s washrooms and rape women.
Yeah. I’ll just leave this right here.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/samantha-s-vagina
Step 1: Apply victim hood
Step 2: Start kickstarter
Step3: $$$$$444
Step 5. Butt hurt men start bitch and moan fests of jealousy and uncontrolled emotion.
You don’t even make sense. Why would anyone be jealous of someone with a bad heart who isn’t comfortable in their own body?
You’re absolutely correct Jarvis – Momo is illogical – she’s been brainwashed by a mainstream hate movement into believing is some kind of victim, when in fact she’s just a really confused, misguided and immature individual.
how can they be misguided while all they do is TAKE ORDERS TAKE ORDERS from fucking patriarchy because men take them as fucking slaves and give all the best opportunities to men ? huh ?
Max isn’t a male….it’s a false screen name. Or it is simple as he enjoys being pushed around and had an overbearing feminist mom who cut off his balls at birth.
what is it max are you a woman or what? I find it impossible for any anatomically correct male to believe anything the “modern feminist” movement has to offer without being brainwashed from birth. So what is it max….are you a woman or do you just have severe mommy issues?
You can stop trolling now. This comment thread abounds with idiots. Don’t be one of them.
You don’t even make sense. Why would anyone be jealous of someone with a bad heart who isn’t comfortable in their own body?
That’s exactly what this article is, but with women. Yes, things may not be totally equal between men and women, but women like Samantha Allen are creating problems that aren’t even there.
“I was born with a penis and a congenital heart defect…” That line right there proves how deeply rooted this person’s misandry is. She lists “penis” next to “heart defect” as if both are equally serious medical problems. In fact, you could argue that she considered the penis to be the more serious threat, since she listed it first.
If you’re transgender then your genitals of birth WILL be offensive to you. Duh.
Try to reply to the points actually being made instead of spewing pointless snark with the maturity of a 10 year old. There’s a difference between being “offended” by the genitals you were born with and acting like a penis is as deadly as a heart defect. She acted as though her genitals are more important than her heart.
That’s just your opinion Momo – unless, of course, you’ve met and discussed this issue with every transgendered person on the planet – you imbecile!
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Obvious troll is obvious.
Is there a feminist alive who works for a living instead of playing victim and begging for money?
“I also want to disclose that I come from an upper-class family…” That figures: Spoiled rich kid lecturing the rest of the world on privilege.
On HoneyBadgerRadio recently they talked about this. These are the children of helicopter parents that were always told no matter what they did, they were special. They learned to open a door, they were praised. They learned that when they hurt others, it wasn’t really bad, but when others hurt them, it was the worst thing ever. That’s how they get this mentality. It sounds like criminal mindedness to me.
But somehow it’s mostly men who are the criminals. According to the actual numbers and not your feels.
Momo – please provide official government statistics to back up your claim that mostly men are criminals … otherwise, it’s just hearsay.
It’s not mostly men who are criminals, it’s just mostly men who actually get charged for their crimes, and who are given the harshest sentences. Being a woman is virtually a get-out-of-jail-free card. Even when women are actually charged for committing a crime, they are given much more lenient sentences than men who commit the same crime.
I have to agree with some of the others on here; your claim is subjective and unsubstantiated. When you make vague claims such as “it is mostly men who are criminals” you open yourself up to all kinds of criticism (and rightfully so). You need to be specific. It is the first rule in debate to make specific claims then back them up with evidence. If you are trying to make a point that, say, rape is a predominantly male crime, or pedophelia, then yes, you are being specific and factual and can back your claims with evidence (I suggest looking into national crime surveys/reports). The objective of making such a statement should also be clear. It stands to reason that not ALL men are rapists and pedophiles simply because most rapists and pedophiles are men so trying to say all men are equally likely to rape or have fantasies about sexual relations with a child is non-factual. But I believe what you were trying to point out is that most (violent) crime is committed by men? This too would be a factually correct statement if basing it off crime stats. But what you are trying to infer with this information is again, another matter. If you are trying to say most men are violent because most violent criminals are men, it is faulty logic.
Dont get me wrong, I do observe extreme disparities in opportunity and treatment between men and women; yet you HAVE to create credible, factually based and logical arguments in order to carry any weight during debates.
I can think a rule is unfair, but if I do not stick to the facts regarding WHY a rule is unfair but instead attack the makers of the rule using assumptions, I will get nowhere.
Sure, it sucks that in 2015 we have to spell out exactly how sexism is still very much a part of modern society. But thats just the reality. I am sure it sucked for Hypatia when she was skinned alive and burned for having the audacity to say the earth wasn’t flat…but if it wasn’t for her scientific contributions to humanity and the very succinct way she formed her arguments and recorded her scientific experiments, it likely would have only ever fallen on deaf ears and her death wouldnt have been mourned or recognized for the tragedy it was, let alone her work celebrated for the genius it stemmed from.
It sucks, but if we want to coax men (and women) to recognizing their inherent, covert sex bias, we need to formulate solid arguments, preferably in such a way that the recipient doesn’t feel threatened, intimidated or shamed NOT because they deserve special treatment, but because most people are not open to realizing that they are a part of a problem without being made to feel they can also be part of the solution.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with your asymmetric pain idea. The knowledge that hurting others for the “right” reason is okay, but any hurt or upset you feel is always unacceptable is part and parcel of feminism.
Well, thank the HoneyBadgers.
Being born male is more privilege than the richest woman will ever have.
As Allen was born a man with “more privilege than the richest woman will ever have”, and not just any man, a white man from an affluent family, I have to wonder what she’s got to be so unhappy about? Perhaps if she hadn’t been messed up by feminist ideologues she might be a much happier and complete person instead of the tormented creature she’s become? Or perhaps you just want to achieve without merit and the best way of doing that is to try and tip the scales in your favour, which is why women like you invent “privilege” to try and damage men.
She’s just trolling to get some people fired up. Then she pulls the next steps. Sooner or later she’ll screen-capture some comments. The best bet is to flag and ignore.
Oh well, I suppose she’s probably short of male attention. I wonder if there’s ever any cognitive dissonance in her little head between how MRAs engage and debate dissenters whilst feminists shut down any dissent? I doubt it, but there’s always hope. If she hangs around men enough, some of our natural goodness might rub off onto her. 🙂
I beleive that’s called rape. It’s “Goodness Rubbing Off Rape.”
Here is the bottom line SWEET-PEA ….. Men allow and women follow, out of fairness to your bitter misandry we allow you to post your crap on this manly manful man-site and use your voice. The only thing a wo-man can do better than a man is incubate life, otherwise we have you beat in all other areas of life.
Wow, I don’t support Momo, but your response is sexist. Feel better about your manhood now?
Cathy, you just lumped yourself into the same category as Momo, in your opinion sexist my comment may be … BUT … As men know most women today do not like hearing the truth and when they don’t they often resort to shame tactic’s as you and Momo have, I am proud of who and what I am and extremely happy and full of joy to be a man. REMEMBER: It is better to live on the corner of a roof than to share a house with a nagging woman.
No Karl, YOU lumped me with Mom, just now. The part about ‘ men lead, women follow’. And shame tactics? I’m sure you use them too, plus being dismissive. You have revealed your misogyny. I could have respected you more if you wanted an equally fair world for both genders, but you came here to defend your gender against all comers, so there’s no talking to you.
“Feel better about your manhood now?”
Did you just say something about dismissiveness and shame tactics?
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As I said Cathy: you can’t handle hearing the truth !
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Honest is important 🙂
Seriously if someone hates me purely because of my gender I’d prefer that they tell me so I know to avoid them.
Hating someone for what they are as opposed to something they did is no different from racism, Nazism, religious fascism, etc. Gender feminists simply don’t understand that you can’t raise one group of people by putting another group down. History has shown us that that never works, but only leads to violence.
Honest is important 🙂
Seriously if someone hates me purely because of my gender I’d prefer that they tell me so I know to avoid them.
And now, the legion of butt hurt men speak…
What happened to you to make you so hateful? Is there not someone who can help you?
go fuck yourself
Allow them? Wow, part of the problem right there.
Looks like we got our first Nazi member – her name is Momo and, as usual, she’s filled hate and double-speak … enjoy her rambling assumptions.
Oh, she’s so much fun…! (see below)
I’m amazed at how smart these young girls think they are. If you do get a chance to find out anything about them, you almost always find that they are students and have no life experience whatsoever. Frankly, I can’t believe there are so many of these numb-skulls out there that are just sooooo ignorant, yet seem to think they are superior to so many other people … people they have never met and don’t even know.
They really are a very large group of hateful imbicils … who are going to find out the hard way that society has no time for their silly behavior once they leave school and enter the real world.
Has the troll “Momo” been banned from this Manly Manful Men’s site yet ?
Yes, cuz we can’t stand to let a woman air her opinions.
WOW … it wasn’t about, as you say “A woman airing her opinions” it was about her crappy misandric attitude !
WOW … it wasn’t about, as you say “A woman airing her opinions” it was about her crappy misandric attitude !
Of course, but when she complains about it that won’t be the reason she gives.
BRAVO DriverSuz! NOW THAT WAS SMOOTH!
“being a woman in this world feels like getting buried alive. think about that. think about feeling that every day”
…So am I the only woman that doesn’t feel like she’s getting buried alive every day…or ever at all?
No K – I think the vast majority of women do not feel like they are being buried alive, unless they have made choices that result in them “running” for 16+ hours a day … because they bought into the BS that they could be Super Woman and “have it all”, and now are unable to cope with their life choices.
Another way to look at it is this: I know of a woman approximately 35 years of age who came to Canada some 10 years ago and, at the time, she could barely speak English. Just a couple of years ago, she finished a university degree (with honors) while mothering her two children, holding down a full-time, high paying job and being married. To be perfectly honest, I don’t think I could have done that – but that’s just me.
If Samantha Allen feels “buried alive” it’s because of her own life choices and has absolutely nothing to do with gender. In short, Samantha needs to stop blaming other people for her own life.
Thank you so much for making that point! These extreme feminists have to open their eyes and deal with life the way everyone else does instead of sitting around blaming men for their problems. And I would say the same thing if it were men blaming women for their life problems, too, because by now we should be further along in society than whining about petty problems that don’t exist and NOT fixing the problems that do exist.
Modern dictatorships use three tools: the military and police are used to intimidate citizens and quell uprisings. The media is used to “distract” citizens away from the problems at home by blaming other countries for all the woes.
One example is the way middle eastern dictators constantly blame “the west” for all the problems when, in fact, the west has little to do with the vast majority of domestic, everyday Arab issues. Unfortunately for all of us, many middle eastern citizens buy into the “victim complex”, become radicalized and blame the west for everything!
Sound familiar? The similarities between radical feminism and any modern day dictatorship are actually quite astounding.
You must be young. Very young.
You must be condescending. Very condescending.
I’ve just had a wonderful father, wonderful grandfather, and wonderful friends that happen to be males that have never talked down to me. Yes, some men have because I am a women, but if they treat me ill, i don’t even give them the time of day because they don’t matter. But I wouldn’t give another woman the time of day either if she were to treat me ill. People who believe that one sex is better than another are immature, but i do not blame the general population of males for my problems. Those who have that misogynistic attitude are ignorant and I don’t have to associate with them.
K Bren, I was just wondering, as a woman, do you speak against feminist extremism cos you think having a vagina means you don’t deserve equality? Because that’s what Bella told me everyone who ever opposes any aspect of feminism thinks, even if they’re women. So as a woman, I think your views on this would be invaluable.
Actually i just finished reading those comments. And I thank you for your response to her. As a matter of fact I do not speak against feminist extremism because I think having a vagina means I don’t deserve equality. I speak against it for the exact points you made. It victimizes women, creates problems that do not exist instead of fixing the ones that do, and belittles men instead of uplifting women.
By the way, kudos to that woman!
I fail to see the point in your story about the mother who was educated and high-earning…this describes me as well (and I was single while raising two children on my own and holding down two jobs to support us while going to school) and I experienced PLENTY of sexism and sexist discrimination along the way. PLENTY. It is a real social issue, as I am sure your “friend” would tell you as well.
My personal endurance and cognitive capabilities (and what I do with them) has little to do with gender, however, my endurance and cognitive gifts have helped me navigate my way through the overwhelmingly male-dominated fields of Science and Math. Why? Because I know how society expects me to behave. I admit, at times I had to play in to mens’ expectations simply to get through a unit or project. I have had to bite my tongue and let men take credit for MY work numerous times troughout my life just to retain acceptance on a research team. I publish my work under masculine sounding pseudonyms because it generates more attention/appreciation.
To top it off, I am a physically attractive woman. I have had male colleagues speak down to me and even make comments about my body, to my face, simply because that is the kind of crap men DO. And they get away with it. I was assaulted at school by a professor who solicited me for sex. I made the mistake of reporting him. He didn’t fail me, but I was given a “D” even though I followed the syllabus and provided quality work; it is the only grade I have ever received of its nature in my life.
Feminism isn’t about “making men feel bad” or “blaming all problems” on them, any more than racial studies asnd advocacy groups for minorities are about blaming all white people for socioeconomic disparities; it is about addressing uncomfortable yet very real social ills.
I doubt you’re a bad guy. I doubt you think the women in your life deserve less than you do. I doubt you find them less capable or insignificant or think their primary function is to provide you with comfort or pleasure.
Yet…a lot of social tendencies of men would make one THINK they felt superior to women inherently.
Even my own husband used to believe biology was a contributing factor/legitimate excuse for oppressive attitudes behavior and didn’t see said attitudes or behaviors as oppressive. One specific example of this would be Victim Blame for rape. I remember telling him about a girl I went to high school with who got gang-raped after blacking out at her brothers’ friends house during a party, and he said, “Well, she shouldn’t have been drinking around a lot of horny teenage boys.” <–almost broke up with him over that comment. It sparked a very long debate and period of detatchment where he had to take a crash course in womens studies to realize just HOW fucked up such an attitude is.
Maybe you have yet to witness covert sexism and recognize it for what it is…but when you do, it will open your eyes to a whole world of oppression and probably make you want to apologize to every woman in your life who has been living in this predominantly male oriented world.
And you think sexism only works one way? You think it’s only women that are discriminated against? Quite frankly, your response above proves one thing to me – feminism is ALL about women and ONLY about women. Feminism has NOTHING to do with equality. Feminism is a supremacy movement – plain and simple.
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“Oh teh poor wimminz!”
I’ve published work in peer reviewed science jounals, bella you liar. Almost all articles simply have my name as J.A. Jackson. You are a liar bella. I had plently of female colleagues..they never had a problem getting attention for their work. As for the sexual harrasement..ALL university professors are dogs(men and women) the university is the most sexually permissive “work” place in the world. I was sexually harrased by both sexes numerous times. This permissiveness in the University should change. But men and women are the “victim” of this power play at the University.
No, you’re not (the only woman that doesn’t feel like she’s getting buried alive everyday)!
I’m a woman and I just don’t relate. I don’t relate to much feminist propaganda that I witness on the net. I continue to observe, and wonder just what the heck has happened in my native land (USA), and if the schism isn’t due to my being in a foreign country for the last 23 years. But even when I was young, I did not experience the misogyny so often described!
75% of women are not feminists, so I think most women don’t feel “buried alive” constantly. Feminists do a good job of squawking so loudly and constantly that many assume they’re a majority, but they’re nowhere close to that.
Feminism is about trying to create equal opportunity between men and women.
Can you honestly tell your mother, your sister, your daughters, or your wife that you do not believe they are deserving of the exact same rights, treatment and opportunities as you simply because they have a vagina?
Sure, some femmenazi’s have a skewed idea of what feminism is and hate all men simply for existing (rather than hate the social constructs that create male-dominated and female-oppressed societies) and are militant in their hate campaigns.
I dont see that here. In fact, this author specifically states she isn’t a feminist; she has no interest in convincing men it is THEIR job to change the way they treat women or even convincing them that there IS a problem with modern society and female subjugation; she simply wants a space where they dont exist and she doesn’t have to go about her life living in an oppressed environment. I don’t blame her….I dont agree with her; I enjoy bringing about social change. But I dont blame her for deciding thats not what she wants to do with her life so she’d rather live in a place where she isn’t subject to discrimination. Its like african americans who don’t want to spend their entire lives trying to change racists or being discriminated against by racists so they just avoid communities where they majority of the population is racist. Doesnt mean they hate all non-black people, they just recognize that in some geographical locations, there are FAR more racists than not.
And the reality is..most racists don’t consider themselves racist. This has been backed by NUMEROUS studies. Just as most chauvinists dont consider themselves chauvinistic.
Take your insistence that feminism is “bad”. Really? Women wanting equal opportunity and treatment is “bad”? Why?
I suspect you wont like the answer if you take a serious look inside and see why such an idea is abhorrent to you.
Seriously, what is wrong with you? Your response is way longer than my comment and STILL doesn’t address anything I actually said. It’s like you’re replying to the wrong conversation or something. I realize that, as a feminist, you’re reluctant to address the fact that 75% of women don’t support your movement. After all, feminism is the first “equality movement” to not enjoy majority support from ANYONE, including those it claims to advocate for. The thing is, you didn’t just fail to address it, you went right ahead and responded as if we live in a parallel reality where women actually tend to think feminism is a good thing.
If most men were to tell their mothers, wives or daughters that they don’t support feminism, most of those women would either shrug or say “neither do I.” Does that mean 75% of women oppose their own equality because they have a vagina? Of course not. It means they don’t think feminism fights for equality. And feminists are to blame for that perception. Not everyone else. MRAs, egalitarians and anti-feminists of every stripe could shout negative things about feminism from the rooftops all the live long day and most people wouldn’t believe us if feminists weren’t constantly proving us right.
Also, like most SJWs, you speak of racism as though only white people commit it and you speak of sexism as though only men commit it. That’s racist and sexist in and of itself.
Feminism is bad because it’s not about women getting equal rights (which they’ve had for quite a long time in the west) it’s about perpetuating it’s own existence. It can’t admit that women have progressed because that would reduce the perceived need for feminism. It teaches women to see themselves as perpetual victims, and men as demonic beasts who want only to rape and kill them. In that way, feminism mentally, emotionally and spiritually abuses any woman who is taken in by it. I oppose feminism to fight for the equal rights of men, who are being stripped of due process, having their children stolen or being forced to pay for children that aren’t theirs, and who receive 63% longer prison sentences than women for the same crimes. However, I also oppose feminism because I hate the trauma it’s inflicting on women. More women agree with me than agree with you. Feminism does not HAVE to be the go-to women’s rights movement by default. Women deserve better and so does everyone else. You should be asking YOURSELF how you can support any movement with a history as abhorrent as feminism’s.
Jarvis, not trying to troll here but you said
“Also, like most SJWs, you speak of racism as though only white people commit it and you speak of sexism as though only men commit it. That’s racist and sexist in and of itself.”
according to the modern feminist doctrine it is impossible for women to be sexist…it is also impossible for anyone who is of color to be racist.
See the feminist doctrine is not just a hate and supremacist movement…it is a movement directed specifically at white men.
It is in a word nothing less than a movement to bring down what they perceive as the top “white men” and replace the top with themselves.
If the feminist had any balls they would just arm themselves and start killing white men wholesale.
In the end that’s what they ultimately want, dead white men.
Feminism is bout supremacy – not equality … https://jseeleysite.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/why-is-feminism-such-a-hated-term-in-the-united-states/
“Feminism is about trying to create equal opportunity between men and women.”
Bullshit. It’s about trying to create opportunity for women by restricting and using men.
Try marrying a Muslim sometime. Even if your partner isn’t a misogynistic POS, you’ll come across PLNTY who are in his family or social group. It comes with islamic culture, its is fundamentally a part of their religion (despite what they claim, Islam is NOT a liberal religion, I read the Quran myself; it is a work against women). Try being a literal genius and finding out your colleagues regularly discuss what you look like naked and chalk up your indignation at such harassment as being “emotionally unstable and premenstrual” (as one of my best friends is learning at the University where she is a lead neuroscientist). I strongly suspect the women who have not quite figured out that society is horribly oppressive of women (even in the U.S.) are either not very intelligent or highly sheltered.
I never said that women were not opressed. I simply disagree with the way many feminists go about trying to fight against it. There are bad men out there and bad women . But what some feminists are trying to do is make all men the enemy and disregard many privileges that we as women DO have. Obviously you are a very intelligent, eloquent woman and I do not doubt that you have experienced discrimination for your sex. So have I. But if feminists want to make a difference then they have to start by not attacking men and talk down about them. After all, that is what some men are doing to women, so it would only create a vicious cycle to do it back to them.
bella, you sound bent, get straight lady. Life moves on, with those who arent stuck in reverse thinking.
Be a better person to all humans, not just the sex you chose is the victim.
Ladies and gentlemen – I am pleased to announce that our larger-than-life feminist favorite Momo (who joined us just yesterday) has been banned from this site. Bye-bye MoMo and take your hate elsewhere!
This is an example of the thing I detest most in most feminist propaganda- hypocrisy.
The whole “men are hostile and violent and insensitive” accusation – while doing exactly that.
These attitudes stem from deeper and earlier sources than the long years of repression they describe, I suspect. Daddy issues or something. Something that got in the way of them learning to embrace and develop their own masculine side, and learning to appreciate it in others.
She assumes men don’t deal with all the same challenges she describes- but they do. Yes, challenge and opposition is part of the masculine character- men do all these things to each other- they just don’t go whining about it. They understand that opposition build character, in the same way pressing against weights builds muscle. It has a beneficial reason for being.
What I observe is that oppositoon has built her a character (she has strong opinions and firm stance) it’s just not a GOOD character – it has holes, inconsistancies, weak spots in it’s construction because she didn’t develop her intellect in response to challenges, but instead emotion, which always brings one back to hypocrisy and “being that which one hates”.
So in other words, she didn’t sweetly surmise why she hates being a woman in our world in such a way that makes men comfortable. I wonder if a slave should have to sweetly explain why they hate being a slave and why they hate living in societies where slavery is a norm and why they hate slave masters (even the nice ones!!)….just a thought. I think she mentioned not giving a shit about how she is received in her response; she isnt out to kindly convince men that they’re generally groomed to be chauvinistic assholes. which any woman with half a brain in modern society recognizes; our globe is catored to those with penises. Numerous studies back this up. Also, she clearly states she is not a part of the feminist movement. So….why do people keep assuming she is a “feminist”? I think femme-phobia is just yet another manifestation of sexism. Most feminists I have ever come across are simply trying to make the world a more equal place, and unfortunately, women are not held in equal esteem across the globe so this is the group people (mostly) focus on. She needed have an objective to feel the way she does.
Hey Bella – check this out … https://jseeleysite.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/why-is-feminism-such-a-hated-term-in-the-united-states/
The hypocrisy is in becoming that which she claims to hate.
She is a self proclaimed misandrist- because she hates misogyny.
I hate violent religious fanatics- so perhaps I shall become one?
*Eye roll here*
It’s called lack of integrity.
That’s very true. But I find a lot of comments veering on the edge here in the same way.
Men ARE hostile and violent, FACTS! She’s just speaking the truth
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Seagull.
Men have (proportionately) more tendency towards being aggressive.
Aggressivity and hostility are not the same thing.
Women can be equally hostile- passively.
Some people (of both sexes) get the two confused, interpreting aggressivity as hostility, expressing hostility passively…trying to be aggressive, and being violent instead, out of a lack of knowledge and experience in how to master their aggression.
Yes, there are men out there who are not good at canalizing their aggressive nature constructively, positively… just as there are women with the same problem.
In my experience, we end up coming into contact most often with those who are about as inept in this area as we ourselves are.
Don’t mind him. The Crazy Train rolled through town and he just leaned out the window to wave at us!
I think one of the fundamental things people like Samantha don’t understand is as follows: I don’t dislike Samantha because she is a woman. I dislike Samantha because she is an obnoxious human being!
She is a pig
You’re a pig!
Oink oink bitch
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Samantha Allen is a hateful bigot.
No she is not! She’s just speaking the truth!
Seagull. Banned.
k bro.
What is the real reason some men are unable to understand where this woman is coming from? Really, think about the world she, and every woman lives in. Any man who has ever lusted after a teenager (well after he himself is out of his teenage years) and told himself it is “normal biology” or what not, this article is about you. For reasons you are too ignorant to understand. For any man who has EVER objectified a woman, this article is about you, for reasons you are too ignorant to understand. Any man who has ever dismissed a womans feelings to her being “an over sensitive female”, this article is about you, for reasons you are too ignorant to understand. For any man who automatically assumed a woman was less able or less qualified because she has a vagina instead of a penis, this article is about you, for reasons you are too ignorant to understand. For any man who has ever catcalled (or didnt see why this is a problem when other men do it) this article is about you, for reasons you are too ignorant to understand. For any man who never noticed that it took an act of congress to get most insurances to cover BIRTH CONTROL while viagra has been covered by most policies for DECADES, this article is about you for reasons you are too ignorant to understand. Any man who never really thought about traveling restraints due to misogyny, this article is about you. Believe in gender roles? This article is about you. Consider stay-at-home mothering a luxury and not a real job? Count yourself among the men hated in this article. Have you ever judged a woman by her sex appeal? Or not taken a coworker/boss/employee seriously because she is attractive? Yep, this is allllll about you. Ever felt you had a say in a womans choice over aboutrion? YOU You YOU you YOU. She hits a nerve, doesnt she? She hates men. Because men make this world unsafe and frightening for MOST women. ALL countries across the globe are disproportionate in their human rights policies, laws and social norms between the genders. Even in Norway, the most gender-neutral country on the planet, women are still underpaid and underserviced by their male counterparts. The margin is significantly smaller than other countries, but still visible when you look at earned income between genders, pay rates for equal qualifications (etc).
Sure, there are some really, really f*cked up women out there. NO question about that. But the majority of the time…who is to blame? Usually a man. Take my abusive neighbor who had her kids taken away. She snapped. Why? Single motherhood aint no picnic. The man who made those babies and bailed is 100% equally as responsible for her mental decline as she is, if not more so. But who is in jail? The guy who has been uninvolved and unsupportive in any way, or the one stuck raising three kids by herself because her husband decided her “vagina was too stretched out and she got too fat” (what he actually told my sister) so he hit the road in search of something “younger”. This is ALL too common a problem. Not saying some women aren’t simply f*cked up in their own right without anybody to blame but themselves, but the difference is society doesn’t make examples of them and say their dysfunction is “Normal” and “the way things are supposed to be”. Thats the difference. The minority of men out there who ARENT complete failures as humans (where gender relations are concerned) already know what I am talking about. Maybe they have a daughter who is just starting to hit puberty and they caught their best friend sneaking glances at her ass. Maybe they’re married to a woman who is a literal genius with a PHD in theoretical physics, yet still is spoken down to by her male colleagues and judged on how good she looks naked. Maybe these men spent time in the middle east where they know they could never bring their wives for vacation due to extreme social oppression of females.
I believe the main reason men are shaming this author is because she refuses to be sweet and charming and brings up some very valid reasons as to why she hates the word she lives in, which makes men uncomfortable. Its kind of like when racist white people are told they make the world a shitty place for people of “color”. Ever witnessed it? The first response is to invalidate, intimidate and shame the minority who dared make them “feel bad”.
Bring on the hate comments. I am done with you.
I can’t believe they let a hateful sexist pig and proud of it like her wrote numerous men-hating articles on wordpress and tumblr for so long, and she’s still free, writing sickening articles,spreading her hateful lifestyle like cancer and teen pop songs.
I love freedom of speech, but the way people like her use that freedom makes me question if it truly is a good thing to be used by certain people.
“and she’s still free, ”
What do you expect to happen, for someone to put her in jail?
Why all the whining?
As I already said, expose her and hate her back. Don’t bitch and piss and moan about how awful she is.
You’re gonna tell the others to… “Hate her back” too Right? I don’t really get your point there, You want me to…stop whining and… hate her back… If I don’t hate her back then I wouldn’t be whining in the first place.
“welcome her to write a followup piece explaining herself and apologizing to men, to boys, and to the women who love them, and hope she comes to realize that feminism is, indeed, a hate movement.—”
She’s already explained herself. Why don’t you just hate her back?
Great for Samantha! She’s my new hero. You’re all just a bunch of entitled whiners who don’t know how good you have it and want to do everything you can to make sure we women DON’T take it away from you. I was going to give this site a chance until I read the line “feminism is hateful”. After that, I knew I’d be on Samantha’s side. You go, girl!
if you only knew how infantile you sound
Hush Dear. The grownups are talking. Run along now.
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Seagull. Don’t look up; you’ll get an eye full of shit.
If I said the same things about women as a group, or muslims, or blacks…I would be a supremacist. But because it is said about men, it’s OK? bellaboone i bet you don’t have a boyfriend or husband and if you do…the “man” who has the unfortunate task of being you significant other is a mike-toast with mommy issues.
Is this the same Samantha Allen who was born a man?
women like her, couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat.
No wonder men treat her like crap, she’s a fucking cunt.
She’s got a chip on her shoulder the size of Mt. Everest, and is determined to make the whole world as miserable and fucking irritating as her.
You’re ignorant. Men can’t deal with the truth.
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Calling a woman i C*nt is pure mysogyny at it’s best….thanks for proving the article to be accurate…douchebag!
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if it is pure misogyny(learn to spell please) at best…what is it at worst..world poverty…world starvation…wow the C word really gets you women worked up. it is just the same word as calling a male a d!ck. But you women have taken that word to a new high religious standard. the female reaction to the C word is very analogous to the muslim reaction to a picture of mohamed. both are at the very center of your respective religions and both are held up as religious artifacts.
All bow down before the vagina, and worship. and if you call it a C3nt we’ll declare a jihad on you.
Watch out! The moderator will ban you if you say anything mildly offensive even though this whole article is offensive.
But “douchebag” and the plethora of other insults you’ve tossed at men in other threads is legit? Get a grip on your double standards and sense of entitlement if you expect normal thinking people to take you seriously.
Your ignorance is staggering. Since your email implies you like books, may I suggest you read s few books written by Erin Pizzey and Warren Farrell. You might actually discover the difference between what feminism is, and what feminism says it is. Until then, take your Gender Studies 101 intellect elsewhere.
Trollmod is trolling by calling other people trolls. Funny, although retarded.
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Feminist indoctrination.
Ban me too please. No reason to participate in a conversation that is actively moderated to prevent discussion on a topic.
Ban me entirely from this site. I want nothing to do with it.
It’s not conversation when it’s one way attacks.
It’s impossible to get raped/sexually abused by a woman! So this is bs.
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This is beautiful. “I hate men because men hate me and the burden to take the high road should not fall on my shoulders.” Yes, a thousand times, yes.
If you consider this the epitome of misandry, then that speaks volumes. There is no appeal to gender essentialism here, none of the appeals to the opposite sex’s innate inferiority that we see in misogynist rhetoric. Just an honest declaration of hurt, and a loss of faith in the goodness of those who do or condone the hurting.
Bye.
So even a woman’s hate is superior to that of a man….perfect hypocrisy and typical feminist bullsh!t. All you feminists can go F yourselves.
Wow someone is obviously jealous of men.. Go les out then you dumb bimbo if you hate men so much, no on cares about you’re ignorant opinion!
A perfect example of a rude man being himself calling a woman a bimbo simply because she doesn’t like men….wow you’re so mature….loser…why you on here trolling? Go away dickbag!!!
LOL.. Look at the article.. It’s called “why I hate men”, and it’s written based off of hate and ignorance and doesn’t contribute to anything as far as im concerned. Writing this dumb ass article isn’t going to help advance women in society. Yes, I may be trolling slightly, but the article is written based off of jealousy, immaturity, and discriminates against my sex, and I feel that I have a right to voice my opinion like all the other comments that say similar stuff to what I said . You’re entitled to your opinion too, so go ahead and call me whatever you want, it just makes you look as mature as the woman who wrote this hateful article. People that have opinions like this woman, should keep them to themselves because the only purpose of this article is to spread hate and that’s flat out wrong. It’s almost as bad a white person writing an article about how they hate black people.
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Wow really?.. Was it really necessary to ban me? youre not a very good moderator because that last post wasn’t even meant to troll, I was voicing my opinion. Also, most of the people you ban are hardly even trolling. Maybe you should ban yourself for abusing your moderator powers and this article for being ignorant and hateful.
I guess on this website I’m not entitled to my own opinion, and have no freedom of speech. The only person I called a bad name to, was the person who wrote the article. I didn’t say anything bad to other people commenting on it.
She’s an instigator. Take nothing she says seriously. None of it. Troll is as troll does, and she fits the bill.
Shaddup.
Fuck off moron. And learn how to spell.
Mad?
Let’s get one thing absolutely clear. This trangendered woman, is a bigot. Don’t be shocked that people react with revulsion and disgust with bigots, just because the bigotry is directed at males. She carries this bigotry on at her job. Imagine being her boss, or worse, her employee, and being male.
She may as well be screaming about how much she hates black people and why Jews are the problem with everything in the world today. It’s just that she can get away with this kind of childish behavior, at the moment. I, for one, would never allow her to work in any company I own simply because when you build a team, you need to get them to work together and there’s simply no place for gender identity politics BS there.
You have got to be kidding me. So what if she hates men. There are tons of people that hate a lot of people. There are reasons for her hatred. It’s not like she woke up and said “hey, I think I’ll hate men today.” There are reasons behind this so do us all a favor and stop crying about it with your male privilege. Women can hate men as much as they hate us and they do. So shut up about it and stop trying to control her mind by calling her a bigot and trying to shame her.
I am an employer. As both a liability issue, and a productivity issue, I simply wouldn’t hire somebody like her. I wouldn’t hire a KKK member that couldn’t keep their mouth shut about it, I wouldn’t hire an atheist that expressed their hatred of religious people. I wouldn’t hire an outspoken misandrist, or misogynist.
I’m only pointing out that this woman is a liability for any company, because she’s a bigot. This woman, when a white male was hired for a position within the company she worked for, thinks the ONLY reason it was a white male who was hired was because he was a white heterosexual male. The concept that he was hired because he was the most qualified isn’t something she even considered possible.
This means, she would preferentially hire a person with attributes entirely unrelated to their job performance over a more qualified candidate. That’s reason for dismissal because that’s incompetence. I would never place this woman in a position to dictate hiring policy and not because of reprisals from the government, but because it would hurt the team and place them at a competitive disadvantage.
There are no good reasons to write off an entire group of people based on individual people. Just like there is no good reason to be a racist.
What male privilege is this exactly?
I always ask feminists what rights and privileges do men enjoy under the law that women do not? Name them.
I never get a response. Feminism, or really women’s rights, achieved it’s goals 40 years ago. What the movement has become today is basically a hate group who blame all their personal set backs on an imaginary social problem that they cannot demonstrate actually exists.
Go see a psychiatrist. You have a persecution complex that doesn’t conform with reality. That’s a liability for your mental well being.
I don’t expect to have any control over her.
I’m pointing out she’s a bigot, because she is. That has real world ramifications. I”m genuinely surprised anybody would hire her.
I live and work in one of the most diverse areas in the country. I work in Silicon Valley. Colleagues of mine include homosexuals, transsexuals, Indians, Jews, Christians, atheists, Hindus, Muslims, heterosexuals, men, women, Jains, blacks, whites, drug users, republicans, hetereosexuals, libertarians, marxists (I know that’s a strange one in a capitalist area like this), liberals, a straight cross dresser, and supposedly rumored even a furry.
The president of my company is Indian, the current person I report to, is female, my business partner is gay. I am not tolerant of them, I’m indifferent to anything other than their ability to work.
Nobody cares provided you can get your job done and not interfere with other people getting their job done. Nobody cares in my area what you are.
That’s why we kick butt.
We’re scientists and engineers though. Reason and logic are part of our job. We leave our prejudices, and our diversity, at the door when we go into work. You have to.
I’ve worked for companies that actively discriminated against people. You know where they are after a few years? They’re bankrupt because when you pull talent from a smaller talent pool, you’re a competitive disadvantage.
It turns out, the great equalizer, is greed. If you’re more concerned about generating conflict, nobody wants to work with you. That’s a reasonable position to take.
Seth I was abused as well, feminism is simply a religion of pure hate and supremacy.
The feminists would like to make all men slaves.
A person I knew had a wife who was a feminist…she screwed around with him every chance she got with literally hundreds of other men…she had him working two jobs and ran up almost $100000 of credit cards flying in her lovers from other cities, and when he divorced her…she took custody of his kid and indoctrinated the kid completely against him…the kid won’t even talk to him on the phone now.
This is the typical fascist feminist.
this Samuel Allen is one messed up individual. Grew up with so much self loathing and condemnation from his overbearing mother, that he grew to hate his penis. So he had the damn thing whacked off(and not in a fun way). Then realizes that men will never take an abomination of human form like himherself, so decides to go on a crusade to force all other men to feel as if they made the same unhuman decision heshe did. Spreads the hate everywhere shehe can. He’s lucky he don’t live in my town…or i’d go over there and give the little fancy boy a good sh!tkicking.
lol
Samuel allen is not a woman…its a cornered little wounded abomination of nature. No wonder it spews out hate.
one final thing you feminists…it is called “personal responsibility” google it, as I am sure none of you feminists have a faintest idea what it means. crybabies. Can you imagine where technology, science and medicine would be today…if it were a bunch of feminists left to do the job, instead of hard working accountable women and men.
All they would do is whine about how unfair everything is. They should try living in 3rd world countries and then they can bitch about it being unfair.
there is a need for more male-female equality in third world countries. you don’t see feminists in the countries they could do the most good(if any good could come out of their movement) however the men in these countries dont take this crap, and would burn them alive if they tried to mouth their hated in the third world. modern feminism is not about social change…it’s about soothing the butt hurt of the biggest bitches in the entire world. they wonder why they cant get a husband(a real one…not some strawman husband…who is her slave)…
And they wonder why I don’t call them for a second date?
Not only that, but spreading ignorance and hate like this isn’t taking human beings on a path to world peace. It only adds to all the hatred that already exists in this world. Yes, woman do not recieve the same benefits that men do but that doesn’t make all men bad. The moron that wrote this article sounds like a jealous crybaby who loathes men because she was treated unfairly at some point in her life. this bitch needs to learn to brush it off and get on with her stupid life like everyone else does because everyone is treated unfairly at some point in their lives.
Your speech, and the speech of your movement sounds great and all…yet when I examine the actions of said movement and the consequences it inflicts on the undeserving, I see grossly incongruent outcomes. Be careful what you align yourself with. Think for yourself, and decide for yourself. You’re single mindedness is painful to witness.
I hope she doesn’t apologize for writing this. I can’t get behind it, because it isn’t a very good feminist stance (as she basically admits), i.e. if the point is to be free from male oppression, giving in to intense amounts of hate for it seems to be incompatible with that goal. But I respect this viewpoint, because it shows a lack of respect for male privilege and it gets to the heart of the problem unlike equality feminism.