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 *Champions male self-determination
 *Refuses to be shamed, seduced or intimidated into submission
-*Involves creative social engagement in contrast nihilistic withdrawal <ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/the-plague-of-modern-masculinity/ Paul Elam, The Plague of Modern Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2010)]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/bye-bye-alpha-male-and-hello-zeta-male/ Peter Wright, Bye bye Alpha Male, and hello Zeta Male!, ''A Voice for Men'', January 2015]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/so-what-the-fuck-is-a-zeta-male-anyway/ Zeta male, So What is a Zeta Male Anyway?, ''A Voice for Men'', (2011)]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/defining-and-implementing-zeta-masculinity/ Cooterbee, Defining and Implementing Zeta Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2011)]</ref><ref>[http://www.maskedwriter.com/definition-of-a-zeta-male/ Masked Writer, Definition of a Zeta Male, (2012)]</ref><ref>[http://www.alansjourney.com/a-new-discovery-the-zeta-male/ Alan's Page: A new discovery – the Zeta male, (2013)]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/ Andy Thomas, ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/#comment-4347800193 Paul Elam, Comment under Andy Thomas article ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref>
+*Involves creative social engagement in contrast to nihilistic withdrawal <ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/the-plague-of-modern-masculinity/ Paul Elam, The Plague of Modern Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2010)]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/bye-bye-alpha-male-and-hello-zeta-male/ Peter Wright, Bye bye Alpha Male, and hello Zeta Male!, ''A Voice for Men'', January 2015]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/so-what-the-fuck-is-a-zeta-male-anyway/ Zeta male, So What is a Zeta Male Anyway?, ''A Voice for Men'', (2011)]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/defining-and-implementing-zeta-masculinity/ Cooterbee, Defining and Implementing Zeta Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2011)]</ref><ref>[http://www.maskedwriter.com/definition-of-a-zeta-male/ Masked Writer, Definition of a Zeta Male, (2012)]</ref><ref>[http://www.alansjourney.com/a-new-discovery-the-zeta-male/ Alan's Page: A new discovery – the Zeta male, (2013)]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/ Andy Thomas, ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/#comment-4347800193 Paul Elam, Comment under Andy Thomas article ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref>
 ===History===

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	According to most sources the Zeta male:		According to most sources the Zeta male:
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		⚫	*Refuses to identify with alpha/beta male stereotypes
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		⚫	*Rejects [[gynocentric]] expectations
⚫	a. Refuses to identify with alpha/beta male stereotypes~~<br>~~
		⚫	*Says no to unreasonable aspects of traditional gender roles
⚫	b. Rejects [[gynocentric]] expectations~~<br>~~
		⚫	*Champions male self-determination
⚫	b. Says no to unreasonable aspects of traditional gender roles~~<br>~~
		⚫	*Refuses to be shamed, seduced or intimidated into submission
⚫	c. Champions male self-determination~~<br>~~
		⚫	*Involves creative social engagement in contrast nihilistic withdrawal <ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/the-plague-of-modern-masculinity/ Paul Elam, The Plague of Modern Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2010)]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/bye-bye-alpha-male-and-hello-zeta-male/ Peter Wright, Bye bye Alpha Male, and hello Zeta Male!, ''A Voice for Men'', January 2015]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/so-what-the-fuck-is-a-zeta-male-anyway/ Zeta male, So What is a Zeta Male Anyway?, ''A Voice for Men'', (2011)]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/defining-and-implementing-zeta-masculinity/ Cooterbee, Defining and Implementing Zeta Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2011)]</ref><ref>[http://www.maskedwriter.com/definition-of-a-zeta-male/ Masked Writer, Definition of a Zeta Male, (2012)]</ref><ref>[http://www.alansjourney.com/a-new-discovery-the-zeta-male/ Alan's Page: A new discovery – the Zeta male, (2013)]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/ Andy Thomas, ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/#comment-4347800193 Paul Elam, Comment under Andy Thomas article ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref>
⚫	d. Refuses to be shamed, seduced or intimidated into submission~~<br>~~
⚫	e. Involves creative social engagement in contrast nihilistic withdrawal <ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/the-plague-of-modern-masculinity/ Paul Elam, The Plague of Modern Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2010)]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/bye-bye-alpha-male-and-hello-zeta-male/ Peter Wright, Bye bye Alpha Male, and hello Zeta Male!, ''A Voice for Men'', January 2015]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/so-what-the-fuck-is-a-zeta-male-anyway/ Zeta male, So What is a Zeta Male Anyway?, ''A Voice for Men'', (2011)]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/defining-and-implementing-zeta-masculinity/ Cooterbee, Defining and Implementing Zeta Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2011)]</ref><ref>[http://www.maskedwriter.com/definition-of-a-zeta-male/ Masked Writer, Definition of a Zeta Male, (2012)]</ref><ref>[http://www.alansjourney.com/a-new-discovery-the-zeta-male/ Alan's Page: A new discovery – the Zeta male, (2013)]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/ Andy Thomas, ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/#comment-4347800193 Paul Elam, Comment under Andy Thomas article ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref>

	===History===		===History===

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 ===Social withdrawal / social engagement===
-Both Zeta males and MGTOW champion non-gynocentric masculinities and male self-determination. What differentiates the Zeta male from MGTOW is his unfazed '''''engagement''''' with women, men and society on the basis of disavowing Alpha and Beta self-identification, remaining ever conscious of the fact that humans are both a pair-bonding and social species. MGTOW however has evolved to become associated with a rejection of intimate relationships with women (including marriage), and a permanent retreat and disengagement from society and its expectations. Critics of the MGTOW tendency toward disengagement claim it promotes a higher potential for isolation, nihilism, depression and suicide.<ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-health/nihilism-and-beyond-for-the-zeta-male/ Andy Thomas, Nihilism and Beyond for the Zeta Male, 2018]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/ Andy Thomas, ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref>
+Both Zeta males and MGTOW champion non-gynocentric masculinity and male self-determination. What differentiates the Zeta male from MGTOW is his unfazed '''''engagement''''' with women, men and society on the basis of disavowing Alpha and Beta self-identification, remaining ever conscious of the fact that humans are both a pair-bonding and social species. MGTOW however has evolved to become associated with a rejection of intimate relationships with women (including marriage), and a permanent retreat and disengagement from society and its expectations. Critics of the MGTOW tendency toward disengagement claim it promotes a higher potential for isolation, nihilism, depression and suicide.<ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-health/nihilism-and-beyond-for-the-zeta-male/ Andy Thomas, Nihilism and Beyond for the Zeta Male, 2018]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/ Andy Thomas, ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref>
 Founder of the concept Paul Elam characterizes the Zeta male position in the following way:

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 He cares about those lost young men who were ambushed coming out of the womb. And he will strive to make himself an example, living proof that there are other roads to take than the ones that lead to self-hatred and self-destruction.”<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVxoNOvMj00 Paul Elam, The Plague of Modern Masculinity, Youtube Video, March 2010]</ref><ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/the-plague-of-modern-masculinity/ Paul Elam, The Plague of Modern Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2010)]</ref></blockquote>
-The similar concepts 'Zeta male' and '[[MGTOW | Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)]]' are often compared on the basis that they both promote male self-determination,<ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/bye-bye-alpha-male-and-hello-zeta-male/ Peter Wright, Bye bye Alpha Male, and hello Zeta Male!, ''A Voice for Men'', January 2015]</ref> however they differ in their propensity for social withdrawal (MGTOW) vs social engagement (Zeta male), and also in regard to the value of male hierarchical categories of Alpha, Beta and Omega which Zeta philosophy explicitly rejects.<ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/the-plague-of-modern-masculinity/ Paul Elam, The Plague of Modern Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2010)]</ref> In light of these differences, the Zeta male is understood as 'MGTOW+' ('MGTOW plus') - i.e. the zeta male concept includes an extra layer of redpill thinking on top of self-determinationand propensity for withdrawal and retreat.
+The similar concepts 'Zeta male' and '[[MGTOW | Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)]]' are often compared on the basis that they both promote male self-determination,<ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/bye-bye-alpha-male-and-hello-zeta-male/ Peter Wright, Bye bye Alpha Male, and hello Zeta Male!, ''A Voice for Men'', January 2015]</ref> however they differ in their propensity for social withdrawal (MGTOW) vs social engagement (Zeta male), and also in regard to the value of male hierarchical categories of Alpha, Beta and Omega which Zeta philosophy explicitly rejects.<ref>[http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/the-plague-of-modern-masculinity/ Paul Elam, The Plague of Modern Masculinity, ''A Voice for Men'', (2010)]</ref>
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 *[https://www.pulse.ng/gist/zeta-male-a-new-class-of-men-who-dont-care-what-you-think/gdbpd3h Ayomide. O. Tayo., A new class of men who don't care what you think; Zeta Males are the new type of men who do not play the 'game' but are societal rebels - article published by Pulse.ng]
 *[https://40xlifebydesign.com/modern-man/zeta-male/ 40X Life by Design]
 ==References==

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-'''Zeta male''' refers to a perspective and way of 'being male' that positions itself outside of the usual hierarchical model of masculinity based on Alpha male (top), Beta male (second) and Omega male (lowest). Unlike the foregoing, the Zeta Male's orientation is not based on a hierarchical classification of men as valued by women.<ref>[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Zeta+Male Urban Dictionary: Zeta Male, (2010)]</ref><ref>[http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-an-alpha-male.htm What is an Alpha Male?, WiseGeek]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_%28ethology%29#Beta_and_omega Beta and Omega, Wikipedia]</ref><ref>[http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/03/omega_males_and_the_women_who_hate_them.html Omega Males and the Women Who Hate Them, ''Slate'']</ref>
+'''Zeta male''' refers to a perspective and way of 'being male' that positions itself outside of the usual hierarchical model of masculinity based on alpha male (top), beta male (second) and omega male (lowest). Unlike the foregoing, the Zeta Male's orientation is not based on a hierarchical classification of men as valued by women.<ref>[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Zeta+Male Urban Dictionary: Zeta Male, (2010)]</ref><ref>[http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-an-alpha-male.htm What is an Alpha Male?, WiseGeek]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_%28ethology%29#Beta_and_omega Beta and Omega, Wikipedia]</ref><ref>[http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/03/omega_males_and_the_women_who_hate_them.html Omega Males and the Women Who Hate Them, ''Slate'']</ref>
-The zeta male also remains open to social engagement and to relationships, instead of social withdrawal which is often the preferred path of self-identified 'MGTOW' men.
+The zeta male also remains open to social engagement and to relationships, instead of social withdrawal which is often the preferred path of self-identified [[MGTOW]].
 ===Description===

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 Unlike MGTOW, the Zeta male concept is not based on social withdrawal, nor on the status of being married or not married, nor on being in a relationship with women. It is based solely on male self-determination, the refusal to self-identify with female-serving 'masculine' categories of Alpha, Beta and Omega, and the decision to engage with the world on that basis.<ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-health/nihilism-and-beyond-for-the-zeta-male/ Andy Thomas, Nihilism and Beyond for the Zeta Male, 2018]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/ Andy Thomas, ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref>
-===See also===
+== See Also ==
 [https://www.pulse.ng/gist/zeta-male-a-new-class-of-men-who-dont-care-what-you-think/gdbpd3h Ayomide. O. Tayo., A new class of men who don't care what you think; Zeta Males are the new type of men who do not play the 'game' but are societal rebels - article published by Pulse.ng]

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 a. Refuses to identify with alpha/beta male stereotypes<br>
 b. Rejects [[gynocentric]] expectations<br>
-b. Says no to unreasonable aspects of traditionalism<br>
+b. Says no to unreasonable aspects of traditional gender roles<br>
 c. Champions male self-determination<br>
 d. Refuses to be shamed, seduced or intimidated into submission<br>

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 Both Zeta males and MGTOW champion non-gynocentric masculinities and male self-determination. What differentiates the Zeta male from MGTOW is his unfazed '''''engagement''''' with women, men and society on the basis of disavowing Alpha and Beta self-identification, remaining ever conscious of the fact that humans are both a pair-bonding and social species. MGTOW however has evolved to become associated with a rejection of intimate relationships with women (including marriage), and a permanent retreat and disengagement from society and its expectations. Critics of the MGTOW tendency toward disengagement claim it promotes a higher potential for isolation, nihilism, depression and suicide.<ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-health/nihilism-and-beyond-for-the-zeta-male/ Andy Thomas, Nihilism and Beyond for the Zeta Male, 2018]</ref><ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/ Andy Thomas, ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref>
-Founder of the concept Paul Elam underlines the Zeta male position in the following way:
+Founder of the concept Paul Elam characterizes the Zeta male position in the following way:
 <blockquote>"I've seen many people in the last decade read it (Zeta) as meaning detachment and indifference. And all along it was just the opposite.<ref>[https://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/a-reflection-on-zeta-male-vs-mgtow/#comment-4347800193 Paul Elam, Comment under Andy Thomas article ''A Reflection on Zeta Male'' vs MGTOW, Feb 2019]</ref></Blockquote>