The Absurdity of Patriarchy - Revision history

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Beyond The Patriarchy

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Robert Brockway: /* Why did The Patriarchy ever permit powerful female figures in mythology? */

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Why did The Patriarchy ever permit powerful female figures in mythology?

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−	The notion of [[The Patriarchy]] espoused by feminists has gone from being a radical fringe view to being mainstream not only among feminists but the wider community. The definition of patriarchy used by feminists differs from that used by anthropologists, sociologists and other researchers as well as differing from the common dictionary definition. These two concepts are entirely distinct and should not be confused. Due to the significant differences in meaning that this term has, anyone using it should clearly define the term before making their argument. Feminists often refer to ''The Patriarchy''. This usage distinguishes it from non-feminist usage and was originally coined by the American feminist writer, [[Kate ~~Millet~~]].<ref>https://www.academia.edu/5488906/Patriarchy_Feminist_Theory_encyclopedia_essay_on_concept_of_patriarchy_</ref> MRAs are encouraged to refer to the feminist concept as ''The Patriarchy'', using a term coined by one of their own to distinguish it from the term as used within scientific circles. Feminism relies heavily on the confusion between these two definitions and MRAs shouldn't contribute to that confusion. MRAs and anti-feminists would be better served by making it clear that the feminist definition of The Patriarchy is entirely distinct from the similar term ''patriarchy''.	+	The notion of [[The Patriarchy]] espoused by feminists has gone from being a radical fringe view to being mainstream not only among feminists but the wider community. The definition of patriarchy used by feminists differs from that used by anthropologists, sociologists and other researchers as well as differing from the common dictionary definition. These two concepts are entirely distinct and should not be confused. Due to the significant differences in meaning that this term has, anyone using it should clearly define the term before making their argument. Feminists often refer to ''The Patriarchy''. This usage distinguishes it from non-feminist usage and was originally coined by the American feminist writer, [[Kate Millett]].<ref>https://www.academia.edu/5488906/Patriarchy_Feminist_Theory_encyclopedia_essay_on_concept_of_patriarchy_</ref> MRAs are encouraged to refer to the feminist concept as ''The Patriarchy'', using a term coined by one of their own to distinguish it from the term as used within scientific circles. Feminism relies heavily on the confusion between these two definitions and MRAs shouldn't contribute to that confusion. MRAs and anti-feminists would be better served by making it clear that the feminist definition of The Patriarchy is entirely distinct from the similar term ''patriarchy''.

	If the Men's Rights Movement could tear down belief in The Patriarchy it could make huge inroads in to getting the wider community to accept the issues facing men and boys.		If the Men's Rights Movement could tear down belief in The Patriarchy it could make huge inroads in to getting the wider community to accept the issues facing men and boys.

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 The originator of the term, Elisabeth Schussler Fiorenza, defines kyriarchy as:
- to redefine the analytic category of The Patriarchy in terms of multiplicative intersecting structures of domination… Kyriarchy
+a neologism…derived from the Greek words for “lord” or “master” (kyrios) and “to rule or dominate” (archein) which seeks to redefine the analytic category of The Patriarchy in terms of multiplicative intersecting structures of domination… Kyriarchy is best theorized as a complex pyramidal system of intersecting multiplicative social structures of superordination and subordination, of ruling and oppression.<ref>http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/04/kyriarchy-101/</ref>
 As can be seen here, the very definition of the term, uttered by the originator of the term continues to see The Patriarchy as central to this new term.

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	In moving from The Patriarchy to kyriarchy feminists themselves are showing that The Patriarchy was a flawed and overly simplistic idea. Kyriarchy itself is still overly simplistic by considering the alleged oppression of women by men as central to the concept.		In moving from The Patriarchy to kyriarchy feminists themselves are showing that The Patriarchy was a flawed and overly simplistic idea. Kyriarchy itself is still overly simplistic by considering the alleged oppression of women by men as central to the concept.
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		+	== Patriarchy Hurts Men Too ==
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		+	The feminist claim that ''Patriarchy hurts men too'' is an oxymoron. Any Patriarchy that did not benefit men would be dysfunctional. This claim is just a response to MRAs and others successfully raising men's issues.

	== See Also ==		== See Also ==

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−	The notion of ~~'''~~The Patriarchy~~'''~~ espoused by feminists has gone from being a radical fringe view to being mainstream not only among feminists but the wider community. The definition of patriarchy used by feminists differs from that used by anthropologists, sociologists and other researchers as well as differing from the common dictionary definition. These two concepts are entirely distinct and should not be confused. Due to the significant differences in meaning that this term has, anyone using it should clearly define the term before making their argument. Feminists often refer to ''The Patriarchy''. This usage distinguishes it from non-feminist usage and was originally coined by the American feminist writer, [[Kate Millet]].<ref>https://www.academia.edu/5488906/Patriarchy_Feminist_Theory_encyclopedia_essay_on_concept_of_patriarchy_</ref> MRAs are encouraged to refer to the feminist concept as ''The Patriarchy'', using a term coined by one of their own to distinguish it from the term as used within scientific circles. Feminism relies heavily on the confusion between these two definitions and MRAs shouldn't contribute to that confusion. MRAs and anti-feminists would be better served by making it clear that the feminist definition of The Patriarchy is entirely distinct from the similar term ''patriarchy''.	+	The notion of [[The Patriarchy]] espoused by feminists has gone from being a radical fringe view to being mainstream not only among feminists but the wider community. The definition of patriarchy used by feminists differs from that used by anthropologists, sociologists and other researchers as well as differing from the common dictionary definition. These two concepts are entirely distinct and should not be confused. Due to the significant differences in meaning that this term has, anyone using it should clearly define the term before making their argument. Feminists often refer to ''The Patriarchy''. This usage distinguishes it from non-feminist usage and was originally coined by the American feminist writer, [[Kate Millet]].<ref>https://www.academia.edu/5488906/Patriarchy_Feminist_Theory_encyclopedia_essay_on_concept_of_patriarchy_</ref> MRAs are encouraged to refer to the feminist concept as ''The Patriarchy'', using a term coined by one of their own to distinguish it from the term as used within scientific circles. Feminism relies heavily on the confusion between these two definitions and MRAs shouldn't contribute to that confusion. MRAs and anti-feminists would be better served by making it clear that the feminist definition of The Patriarchy is entirely distinct from the similar term ''patriarchy''.

	If the Men's Rights Movement could tear down belief in The Patriarchy it could make huge inroads in to getting the wider community to accept the issues facing men and boys.		If the Men's Rights Movement could tear down belief in The Patriarchy it could make huge inroads in to getting the wider community to accept the issues facing men and boys.

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 A belief in The Patriarchy is used by feminists to justify their anti-male activities.  If men have oppressed women through the use of violence for thousands of years, surely it is ok to respond in kind.
-Much of the criticism levelled at men by feminists is justified by a belief in The Patriarchy.  Mainstream feminism posits that men have an intrinsic advantage in society merely for being men.  They call this ''privilege'' and constantly entreat people to check it.  This is a very binary view of the world, presuming that one gender has an intrinsic advantage over the other.  It would be more accurate to say that both men and women have problems specific to their gender.  Unfortunately feminists have shown a consistent trend of ignoring the problems facing men and boys, and much of this occurs because they believe in The Patriarchy.
+Much of the criticism levelled at men by feminists is justified by a belief in The Patriarchy.  Mainstream feminism posits that men have an intrinsic advantage in society merely for being men.  They call this ''privilege'' and constantly entreat people to [[check your privilege|check it]].  This is a very binary view of the world, presuming that one gender has an intrinsic advantage over the other.  It would be more accurate to say that both men and women have problems specific to their gender.  Unfortunately feminists have shown a consistent trend of ignoring the problems facing men and boys, and much of this occurs because they believe in The Patriarchy.
 == Does The Patriarchy exist? ==

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−	The notion of '''The Patriarchy''' espoused by feminists has gone from being a radical fringe view to being mainstream not only among feminists but the wider community. The definition of patriarchy used by feminists differs from that used by anthropologists, sociologists and other researchers as well as differing from the common dictionary definition. These two concepts are entirely distinct and should not be confused. Due to the significant differences in meaning that this term has, anyone using it should clearly define the term before making their argument. Feminists often refer to ''The Patriarchy''. This usage distinguishes it from non-feminist usage and was originally coined by the American feminist writer, Kate Millet.<ref>https://www.academia.edu/5488906/Patriarchy_Feminist_Theory_encyclopedia_essay_on_concept_of_patriarchy_</ref> MRAs are encouraged to refer to the feminist concept as ''The Patriarchy'', using a term coined by one of their own to distinguish it from the term as used within scientific circles. Feminism relies heavily on the confusion between these two definitions and MRAs shouldn't contribute to that confusion. MRAs and anti-feminists would be better served by making it clear that the feminist definition of The Patriarchy is entirely distinct from the similar term ''patriarchy''.	+	The notion of '''The Patriarchy''' espoused by feminists has gone from being a radical fringe view to being mainstream not only among feminists but the wider community. The definition of patriarchy used by feminists differs from that used by anthropologists, sociologists and other researchers as well as differing from the common dictionary definition. These two concepts are entirely distinct and should not be confused. Due to the significant differences in meaning that this term has, anyone using it should clearly define the term before making their argument. Feminists often refer to ''The Patriarchy''. This usage distinguishes it from non-feminist usage and was originally coined by the American feminist writer, [[Kate Millet]].<ref>https://www.academia.edu/5488906/Patriarchy_Feminist_Theory_encyclopedia_essay_on_concept_of_patriarchy_</ref> MRAs are encouraged to refer to the feminist concept as ''The Patriarchy'', using a term coined by one of their own to distinguish it from the term as used within scientific circles. Feminism relies heavily on the confusion between these two definitions and MRAs shouldn't contribute to that confusion. MRAs and anti-feminists would be better served by making it clear that the feminist definition of The Patriarchy is entirely distinct from the similar term ''patriarchy''.

	If the Men's Rights Movement could tear down belief in The Patriarchy it could make huge inroads in to getting the wider community to accept the issues facing men and boys.		If the Men's Rights Movement could tear down belief in The Patriarchy it could make huge inroads in to getting the wider community to accept the issues facing men and boys.

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 === Why did The Patriarchy ever permit powerful female figures in mythology? ===
-Powerful female figures are a mainstay of mythology.  Many ancient
+Powerful female figures are a mainstay of mythology.
 * Columbia/Lady Liberty representing the US

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 There is never-the-less general acceptance among feminists that The Patriarchy is based on the systematic oppression of women by men <ref>http://feminismandreligion.com/2013/02/18/patriarchy-as-an-integral-system-of-male-dominance-created-at-the-intersection-of-the-control-of-women-private-property-and-war-part-1-by-carol-p-christ/</ref> and is a constant of gender relations around the world.
-Feminists often tell us that they want to ''Destroy The Patriarchy'',<ref>https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/destroy-the-patriarchy</ref><ref>https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120129161208AAPRnyG</ref><ref>http://evilfeminist.tumblr.com/post/48289430757/what-men-can-do-to-destroy-the-patriarchy-without</ref> ''Dismantle The Patriarchy'',<ref>http://organizingchange.org/patriarchy-persists-can-change/</ref><ref>http://letterbyafeminist.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/patriarchy-101.html</ref><ref>https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130627185749AANM9Jo</ref> or ''Smash The Patriarchy''.<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/style/carol-gilligan.html]</ref><ref>[https://yourdream.liveyourdream.org/2017/06/six-ways-to-smash-the-patriarchy/]</ref><ref>[https://www.scarymommy.com/raising-boys-smash-patriarchy/]</ref>
+Feminists often tell us that they want to ''Destroy The Patriarchy'',<ref>https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/destroy-the-patriarchy</ref><ref>https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120129161208AAPRnyG</ref><ref>http://evilfeminist.tumblr.com/post/48289430757/what-men-can-do-to-destroy-the-patriarchy-without</ref> ''Dismantle The Patriarchy'',<ref>http://organizingchange.org/patriarchy-persists-can-change/</ref><ref>http://letterbyafeminist.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/patriarchy-101.html</ref><ref>https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130627185749AANM9Jo</ref> or ''Smash The Patriarchy''.<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/style/carol-gilligan.html</ref><ref>https://yourdream.liveyourdream.org/2017/06/six-ways-to-smash-the-patriarchy/</ref><ref>https://www.scarymommy.com/raising-boys-smash-patriarchy/</ref>
 Implicit in this desire are two important points: